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illinivich · 16/04/2025 11:19

HPFA · 16/04/2025 11:06

The government will be very pleased about this.

Their official position was that the law didn't need to be changed so they can point to this judgement as confirmation.

I find it strange that now every trans activist with a Bluesky handle thinks the government is only a tiny step away from Trumpism in its position on trans rights that many posters still seem convinced the government is about to go full Stonewall.

This.

Starmer has always said that the EqA and GRA are good laws, and gender and sex are different.

He could never say what a woman is, or be clear about what spaces and opportunities are sex based or gender based, but he'll ignore this.

Luckily for him the number of male and female labour MPs are balanced, so hes not running any all women shortlists.

porridgecake · 16/04/2025 11:20

The thing is, this has been explained so clearly so many times. For most of the time, sex doesn't matter, but when it does matter, it REALLY matters.

Brainworm · 16/04/2025 11:21

Joshua Rozeberg (used to be the BBC’s legal correspondent) in an interview with Sky News described the ruling as balanced and pragmatic. He suggests that the ruling ensures both women and trans identified people’s rights are protected and that the Scottish government are the losers!

TalkingintheDark · 16/04/2025 11:21

TangenitalContrivance · 16/04/2025 11:04

It's very interesting to see the misunderstandings from the "other side" now, looking at Reddit comments:

https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1k0g0ao/supreme_court_ruling/

One of those comments:

“It benefits no one. Not one single person will be positively affected by this ruling.”

This one seems to have erased 51% of the population in one fell swoop, with a snap that Thanos would envy.

We really don’t exist as actual human beings to them, do we?

Ah well. Today I am celebrating a rather large nail in the coffin of the toxic misogyny that is genderist ideology.

Maybe one day there’ll even be a Netflix series about it, and Starmer will say all secondary school pupils should watch it!

Now that would be an education.

Lottapianos · 16/04/2025 11:21

It's such wonderful news. I'm loving the photo of Helen Joyce pouring glasses of fizz outside the court 😁

So many women have worked so hard, and risked so much, and lost so much, to make today happen

Viviennemary · 16/04/2025 11:22

Kucinghitam · 16/04/2025 09:32

And yet you cared enough to log in and tell us all about how little you care Confused

No I didn't say I didn't care. I said it wasn't a big issue in a lot of folks lives. But I think it's the right decision. And it hasn't been on the news much till today.

womanwithissues · 16/04/2025 11:22

I can't believe how relieved I am that woman means what it always should have meant. Thank you FWS, Sex Matters and everyone else involved!

zanahoria · 16/04/2025 11:22

It is balanced

Single Sex spaces can be created when needed

It does not compel anyone to create them but it knocks the Stonewall Law TWAW bollocks out of the park.

TheUnusuallyQuerulentMxLauraBrown · 16/04/2025 11:22

Has anyone seen Butters lately?

I’m assuming that a legal ruling that scuppers Butters from force-teaming Butterself with women isn’t going to make Butters very happy…

EasternStandard · 16/04/2025 11:23

TalkingintheDark · 16/04/2025 11:21

One of those comments:

“It benefits no one. Not one single person will be positively affected by this ruling.”

This one seems to have erased 51% of the population in one fell swoop, with a snap that Thanos would envy.

We really don’t exist as actual human beings to them, do we?

Ah well. Today I am celebrating a rather large nail in the coffin of the toxic misogyny that is genderist ideology.

Maybe one day there’ll even be a Netflix series about it, and Starmer will say all secondary school pupils should watch it!

Now that would be an education.

I’m already positively affected.

It’s great.

TheOtherRaven · 16/04/2025 11:23

Viviennemary · 16/04/2025 11:22

No I didn't say I didn't care. I said it wasn't a big issue in a lot of folks lives. But I think it's the right decision. And it hasn't been on the news much till today.

It is the right decision.

Thank God some women worked so hard, took such an interest and made it happen.

inigomontoyahwillcox · 16/04/2025 11:23

As this case was confirming the legal definition of a woman in the equalities act, I now want to understand the implications of the ruling when it comes to things like:

  • crime recording and statistics
  • positions reserved for women both in private and public sector
  • transwomen performing sensitive and personal roles in healthcare and women’s spaces (e.g. careers of elderly women, rape crisis centres etc.)
  • sports (particularly grassroots)
  • toilets and other single sex spaces (won’t they just be redefined as single gender spaces by many organisations and businesses?)
  • etc.
TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 16/04/2025 11:25

TalkingintheDark · 16/04/2025 11:21

One of those comments:

“It benefits no one. Not one single person will be positively affected by this ruling.”

This one seems to have erased 51% of the population in one fell swoop, with a snap that Thanos would envy.

We really don’t exist as actual human beings to them, do we?

Ah well. Today I am celebrating a rather large nail in the coffin of the toxic misogyny that is genderist ideology.

Maybe one day there’ll even be a Netflix series about it, and Starmer will say all secondary school pupils should watch it!

Now that would be an education.

They're sodding clueless aren't they. I'm positively delighted by this, is that the same thing. 😁

71Alex · 16/04/2025 11:25

Brilliant news

HootyMcBoobys · 16/04/2025 11:26

This is brilliant news.

But do we still need an absolute definition in law, as to what a woman/female actually IS?

Have they come out and said what biological sex actually IS?

Because you just know there are TW who will say there are different ways to define sex - hormonal, phenotype, blah fucking blah.

Have they addressed the definition with no way to argue it? Chromosomal, set up for large gamete producing, etc.

Otherwise we are just in for round two of this shitshow.

ThatDaringMintCritic · 16/04/2025 11:26

inigomontoyahwillcox · 16/04/2025 11:23

As this case was confirming the legal definition of a woman in the equalities act, I now want to understand the implications of the ruling when it comes to things like:

  • crime recording and statistics
  • positions reserved for women both in private and public sector
  • transwomen performing sensitive and personal roles in healthcare and women’s spaces (e.g. careers of elderly women, rape crisis centres etc.)
  • sports (particularly grassroots)
  • toilets and other single sex spaces (won’t they just be redefined as single gender spaces by many organisations and businesses?)
  • etc.

I only heard the key points but surely the fact the judgment referred to single sex spaces means that organisations can't just swap out sex with gender.

BMW6 · 16/04/2025 11:27

I'm astounded reading some of the Reddit posts how many are claiming to be "intersex"......and one claims to be "intersex" and pregnant!! 🙄

TangenitalContrivance · 16/04/2025 11:27

TalkingintheDark · 16/04/2025 11:21

One of those comments:

“It benefits no one. Not one single person will be positively affected by this ruling.”

This one seems to have erased 51% of the population in one fell swoop, with a snap that Thanos would envy.

We really don’t exist as actual human beings to them, do we?

Ah well. Today I am celebrating a rather large nail in the coffin of the toxic misogyny that is genderist ideology.

Maybe one day there’ll even be a Netflix series about it, and Starmer will say all secondary school pupils should watch it!

Now that would be an education.

eye opening to see the proof that trans people just don't get that it's an invasion of private spaces.

RedToothBrush · 16/04/2025 11:28

BMW6 · 16/04/2025 11:27

I'm astounded reading some of the Reddit posts how many are claiming to be "intersex"......and one claims to be "intersex" and pregnant!! 🙄

Well it's the go to thing now, to try and undermine the idea that sex is binary and to try and make themselves more legitimate.

Unfortunately since the court decided that sex is biological and DSD are sex dependent this isn't going to get them as far as they think.

lechiffre55 · 16/04/2025 11:28

BMW6 · 16/04/2025 11:27

I'm astounded reading some of the Reddit posts how many are claiming to be "intersex"......and one claims to be "intersex" and pregnant!! 🙄

I know the feeling.Don't you just hate it when a turd refuses to come out?

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 16/04/2025 11:30

zanahoria · 16/04/2025 11:07

Sadly not.

The judges pointed out that the ruling applies to the equality act.

The way I understand it is that it is legal to create single sex spaces.

It does not compel anyone like the organizers of pool tournaments to create them

Yet, the repercussions are huge. I am sure that it will weigh heavily on those that make decisions in other areas particularly those who have been suckered by 'Stonewall Law'

Edited

Bummer.

Still now women is legally defined a biological female, calling an event a 'Women's' and allowing biological males to enter might mean then can be reported to the Advertising Standards Authority. They have the power to levy fines.

TheEyesOfLucyJordon · 16/04/2025 11:30

Viviennemary · 16/04/2025 09:30

I don't know why folk on MN are so invested in this. Nobody I know in real life is bothered. I haven't even heard about this court case and I watch the news at least twice a day.

Looks like it's not just the patriarchy we've been fighting 🙄

Don't you worry; many women took up the fight ..... so that you and your daughters didn't have to. To all of them, thank you from the bottom of my heart; you're amazing 😘xx

Brainworm · 16/04/2025 11:30

inigomontoyahwillcox · 16/04/2025 11:23

As this case was confirming the legal definition of a woman in the equalities act, I now want to understand the implications of the ruling when it comes to things like:

  • crime recording and statistics
  • positions reserved for women both in private and public sector
  • transwomen performing sensitive and personal roles in healthcare and women’s spaces (e.g. careers of elderly women, rape crisis centres etc.)
  • sports (particularly grassroots)
  • toilets and other single sex spaces (won’t they just be redefined as single gender spaces by many organisations and businesses?)
  • etc.

I’m assuming that organisations can decide to develop policies or report data that is based on grouping people by gender identity or by sex, or by combining them.

The ruling doesn’t specify that data or policy must aggregate or disaggregate sex and gender identity, it clarifies that when existing law refers to ‘women’ it refers to natal women, not males with a gender identity.

zanahoria · 16/04/2025 11:31

inigomontoyahwillcox · 16/04/2025 11:23

As this case was confirming the legal definition of a woman in the equalities act, I now want to understand the implications of the ruling when it comes to things like:

  • crime recording and statistics
  • positions reserved for women both in private and public sector
  • transwomen performing sensitive and personal roles in healthcare and women’s spaces (e.g. careers of elderly women, rape crisis centres etc.)
  • sports (particularly grassroots)
  • toilets and other single sex spaces (won’t they just be redefined as single gender spaces by many organisations and businesses?)
  • etc.

Not sure about the others but positions reserved for women is what the case was all about.

These are pre existing single sex spaces.

What is needed now is for employers, government etc to create single sex spaces where needed.

They can no longer be deterred by Stonewall TWAW nonsense.

highame · 16/04/2025 11:32

I'm now going to watch with interest as all the house of cards come tumbling down. Ipso, courts, and how far reaching our laws are. Can't they be used as precedent in places like US and Canada.

Haven't had time to catch up so this post may be a load of bollocks

FWS you are brilliant. Sticking it out when all looked lost

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