Is there any future you'd accept for trans people?

[AYoungTransWoman]

Hello, I'm a young trans person who transitioned in my teens. I've been on hormones my entire adult life, have a GRC and will have Gender Reassignment Surgery imminently.

Is there any future you would accept for people like me who have gone through everything?

Point missed

"Potty parity" is a different issue and I agree that the current allocation of space is usually unfair to women.
But unisex toilets are not the answer.

Why wouldn't boys under about 8 years old be going into the male toilets alone unless they are in school or a child safe space? The current standard practice is that boys of that age go into the female single sex spaces, just as they have been doing since female single sex spaces came into existence.

Why would this change now?

IDK maybe you're a different age to me? I'm mid 30s. Most of the people I'm referring to are between 30 and 40.

You guys are extremely good at twisting everyone's words to make anyone who disagrees with you 'anti women'... I don't believe women's rights or trans rights have to be exclusive, probably because we have fundamentally different views about the 'dangers' of trans people.

Why is it so difficult to accept that potentially many people similar to your back ground have different views anyway?

These threads always seem to be about anti trans people shouting down and jeering at people who dare have a different view. All my posts have said, are that many women do indeed have different views, maybe even academic liberal times apparently like yourself. Why can't you accept that?

Bunny no one on here is expressing 'anti trans' views. We're pro- women's right to single sex spaces where they matter.

I can't quite believe that, if you are in your mid 30s, you can't see the difference.

I’ve 3 under 5 yrs old and if I or they needed the loo whist out shopping, my only option is to keep the cubicle door open so that I can keep an eye on them. I do not want men in our single sex spaces. Go find the men’s.

I will not compromise.

btw, The people doing the transgender community the absolute most harm are the so called allies. Women that acknowledge the reality of sex aren’t to blame for the pushback, it’s the pathetic allies that are giving our rights and freedoms to men because they have very little power over their own lives.

@hihelenhi Why can’t you have a reasoned debate without suggesting people who have a different opinion to you lack critical thinking skills or literacy.

What on earth about anything I’ve said suggests I lack those things?

I happen to prefer unisex toilet cubicles. I believe they’re the most equitable solution. You may disagree. I respect your opinion. I don’t need to ‘suggest’ anything about you.

'Why is it so difficult to accept that potentially many people similar to your back ground have different views anyway?'

Perhaps because you position those with a different opinion to you to be anti-trans.

I don't believe women's rights or trans rights have to be exclusive, probably because we have fundamentally different views about the 'dangers' of trans people

Except that if women want their rights to single sex spaces ...

And transwomen want access to women's spaces ...

Whar happens then?

How do you propose both of these are accommodated?

Straight out of the Stonewall playbook - no debate, just accept what I’m saying and give me what I want, that’s exactly what predatory men say.

Maybe all actual women should start calling themselves something else. Let's call it squimbols. And wait to see how long it takes before men start trying to barge into that group. About 10 minutes, I reckon.

To be progressive, we always have to challenge and question ‘standard practice’.

So your solution is boys of 9 or 10 go in the men’s on their own? Rather than use a unisex toilet.

Yes. I can imagine with 3 under 5 you will have have your hands full, possibly literally as well as figuratively. Plus there is the shopping to manage. I used to have to duck into the toilets just before walking home with the pram or stroller with a week's worth of nappies hanging off the back and groceries.

No fucking way that door was closing around all that.

Maybe those people who have never had to do it think that mothers have someone with them that just looks after everything. Or that there is someone at home to look after everything..... or maybe they fucking do not have a fucking clue.

Do you think it is progressive to have only unisex toilets?

Do you have children then?

So your solution is boys of 9 or 10 go in the men’s on their own

its not a solution…its what happens in the majority of real life situations

There are many reasons why unisex only options fail to provide for the needs of female people.

Loads of places do indeed have unisex toilets and they are always a bit grimmer than women-only toilets. Unisex changing rooms have higher incidences of voyeurism and assault.

Seems like your "solution" is to make things worse for women to solve problems caused by someone else.

As (presumably) a women, why does that seem ok to you? Do you not think women's need and comfort matter as much as other people's? Are you one of those women who feels obliged to put everyone else first?

Imagine a life where you never had to wash out your clothes, or to fit prams / children / elderly parents into a toilet cubicle. What bliss that sounds like.

Imagine not ever having to worry that you are found in time if you end up on the floor of your toilet cubicle. Sounds great, doesn't it?

I think it's disingenuous to make it about fearing men as statistically we're far more at risk in so many other situations involving men.

Getting up in arms about trans women in women's toilet is not the hill to die on if we want to protect women and children.

For example women and children are most at risk by a mile from their own partners and families (both in terms of murder, violence and rape). Trans women in toilets and strangers in bushes are red herrings to distract us from the very real danger that your own husband or partner (statistically & theoretically speaking) poses to you and your kids and other women and children around you.

Now you'll turn round and say but not my husband, not all men are like that.... 👀

‘You guys are extremely good at twisting everyone's words to make anyone who disagrees with you 'anti women'...

We are presenting fact based information to you, that isn’t twisting anyone’s words. If you feel that your opinions don’t stand up to scrutiny then ask yourself why.

I have seen no anti ‘trans views’ on here, whatever that means, it’s women with relevant life experiences presenting biological facts, and how those facts materially relate to, and impact on, women’s lives. People can’t change their sex, TIM’s offend at the same rate as other men, we don’t know who the predatory men are until it’s too late and that’s why we want to keep them all out. You are being unbelievably naive if you honestly think that because a man tells you he’s a woman that that means he poses no threat. Facts and evidence tell you that that isn’t true. Women aren’t being ‘unkind’ in wanting to protect ourselves. I suppose we differ in that you trust your feelings and I trust facts.

But you're not addressing the issues people have raised in relation to unisex cubicles.

So your answer to women and children being at risk is to ... create situations where their risk will be further increased 😵‍💫

I don't think this is the great argument you think it is.

Can anyone please link up the evidence that indicates that male people at any stage of transition should be considered a lower risk than the rest of the UK male population for robust safeguarding?

I would like to see this too.

Posters seem to be ignoring those posts