Is there any future you'd accept for trans people?

[AYoungTransWoman]

Hello, I'm a young trans person who transitioned in my teens. I've been on hormones my entire adult life, have a GRC and will have Gender Reassignment Surgery imminently.

Is there any future you would accept for people like me who have gone through everything?

It is if you’re a mother of sons.

I don't see trans people as privileged. Their lives are often very hard. I know trans women. I also know Muslim women who do not share your views either so don't dress it up for views to protecting 'vulnerable women' as tbh I think she'd find what you just said as incredibly patronising. They can speak for themselves too.

Why not? Toilets are based on biological functions- they aren’t gender specific.

I am

As long as you don’t compete against me in triathlons, claim to represent women on panels/boards or threaten my personal safety you can do what you want.

Why? Why not just have unisex toilets?

You are the only person on mn who cant comprehend the long established practice of sex segregation, with young children going into the facilities with their parents.

Every person who has ever been a child knows this.

Indeed.

There also seems to be a lot of people with the privilege not to care about these issues too.

You misunderstand what the very vocal trans people want, they don’t want a third space they want to be accepted, without question, as what they tell us they are, or we’re bigots, terfs and transphobes.

For the first two, well there's not going to be a set age it will depend on the child. But normally puberty might be the cut off. A lot of spaces will have their own cut off. I've seen 8 mooted as a cut off.

And yes Trans people with their natal sex. I have no issue with trans identifying females in single sex spaces.

Male trans identifying people are not my problem to address.

As for your motives, if you had any consideration of the needs of female people you wouldn't be on here suggesting that male people who identify as trans should be in women's single sex spaces. They shouldn't.

Sex segregation worked on a social contract basis until male people decided that their gender identities overrode sex. I mentioned upthread that gender bending males existed in the 80s, the difference was that they didn't try to infringe on women. We had more respect.

These males believe that they can run roughshod on women's rights. They have been emboldened to believe that it is OK to erode boundaries. In a world where the safety and dignity of female people matters, this is not OK.

The erosion of women's rights that you are complicit with is the opposite of progressive.

This has been part of my experience too.

Because unisex toilets often take up more space and are more costly to install. Where I work has them and we have half as many toilets in the space that a single sex provision has. Also, as I outlined above, in practice most women dislike them if given a choice.

i'm the mother of a son, it was easy.

He came in the women's with me until he was around the age of 7/8 then he went in the mens.

I don't use being the mother of a male as the excuse for the erosion of women's rights.

Because the ENTIRE bloody point is that there is very good reason why we have separate male and female toilets and why many women (many men too, actually) wish to retain them. Along with other single sex spaces and services where women are undressed or vulnerable. Because of the behaviour of a significant minority of males specifically.

Do you honestly know nothing of the history of this? Or any of the statistics?

Jesus wept.

From the age of about 8 yrs old, People go into the single sex spaces of their sex category. Just as they used to always do. Their gender isn’t relevant.

So your mother is a feminist who questions gendered expectations of how a man or woman should behave and dress, but believes that sex has a material impact that is relevant to women's rights.

She sounds great.

I think we thrive on prejudice .
I have no problem at all if a transwoman wants to known as a woman.
We all know the scientific facts.
I feel no threat to my sisterhood and that is my point.
My best friend is mixed race and identifies as black .would you tell her she is not? and that she is mixed race.

Yep you do thrive on prejudice.

You think females matter less than males.

Slow hand clap.

edited to add, bringing race into this isn't a good look either you know....

@Bunny44

I don't personally know any women that have these anti-trans views Which anti trans views are you talking about Bunny? Because I’m only seeing pro women views. Unless you’re suggesting that trans rights are in direct conflict with women’s rights? That in order for trans people to have all the rights they want, women have to give up some of their rights? That surely can’t be what you’re saying?

That is not what I insinuated.
The name calling is gutteral.

‘Threat to my sisterhood’? Are you on glue? Do you actually think this is what’s at stake? Surely no one is this dense.

@Bunny44 Interesting you say that the people you know who believe trans rights trump women’s rights are all academic liberal types.

The people who I know are also academic liberal types and secretly seem to have the opposite view to your circle.

I’m not going to out my profession or location, but it’s interesting that we each say we have similar social and educational backgrounds yet have completely different experiences.

Because most people of both sexes want to only share toilets with their own sex.
Where there are individual toilets that can be safely accessed then unisex toilets work but where this set up is not practical and there are sex segregated toilets everyone should use the ones for their sex.
I actually think it would be good if it were possible to have mens, womens AND unisex toilets but I am not in charge of toilets so its not up to me.

You do seem very prejudiced against women and their needs. They matter too you know.

It’s pure MRA buzzword language isn’t it.