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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Is there any future you'd accept for trans people?

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AYoungTransWoman · 17/03/2025 12:46

Hello, I'm a young trans person who transitioned in my teens. I've been on hormones my entire adult life, have a GRC and will have Gender Reassignment Surgery imminently.

Is there any future you would accept for people like me who have gone through everything?

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AccidentallyWesAnderson · 17/03/2025 19:48

Bigwelshlamb · 17/03/2025 19:47

I have absolutely no issue at all. I genuinely do not understand the hate at all.

You genuinely don’t know why women don’t want males in their spaces?

ArabellaScott · 17/03/2025 19:48

ChessorBuckaroo · 17/03/2025 19:45

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/27/opinion/racism-white-women.html

How White Women Use Themselves as Instruments of Terror

"We often like to make white supremacy a testosterone-fueled masculine expression, but it is just as likely to wear heels as a hood. Indeed, untold numbers of lynchings were executed because white women had claimed that a black man raped, assaulted, talked to or glanced at them. The Tulsa race massacre, the destruction of Black Wall Street, was spurred by an incident between a white female elevator operator and a black man. As the Oklahoma Historical Society points out, the most common explanation is that he stepped on her toe. As many as 300 people were killed because of it. The torture and murder of 14-year-old Emmett Till in 1955, a lynching actually, occurred because a white woman said that he "grabbed her and was menacing and sexually crude toward her". This practice, this exercise in racial extremism has been dragged into the modern era through the weaponizing of 9-1-1, often by white women, to invoke the power and force of the police who they are fully aware are hostile to black men. This was again evident when a white woman in New York's Central Park told a black man, a bird-watcher, that she was going to call the police and tell them that he was threatening her life."

Women are not responsible for male violence.

CantStopMoving · 17/03/2025 19:49

Bigwelshlamb · 17/03/2025 19:47

I have absolutely no issue at all. I genuinely do not understand the hate at all.

what hate? I don’t want to share private female spaces with biological men. I can’t see any leap that means I hate trans people.

TheKeatingFive · 17/03/2025 19:49

Bigwelshlamb · 17/03/2025 19:47

I have absolutely no issue at all. I genuinely do not understand the hate at all.

How is it 'hate' to want women's spaces to remain single sex?

viques · 17/03/2025 19:50

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ArabellaScott · 17/03/2025 19:51

CantStopMoving · 17/03/2025 19:49

what hate? I don’t want to share private female spaces with biological men. I can’t see any leap that means I hate trans people.

Some people think that women saying no to men is 'hate'.

Elsvieta · 17/03/2025 19:51

TheKeatingFive · 17/03/2025 19:38

Why wouldn't it go backwards? Bad laws and practices are revised all the time.

Rightly or wrongly, it's seen as a "civil rights" / equality kind of issue. They never go backwards, or not in Europe at least; governments don't take away rights from women, gay people, ethnic minorities or whatever. Thinking the whole idea that it's possible to change sex will just be abolished is like thinking the next government might get rid of same-sex marriage or something like that. I don't think time and energy should be wasted on ideas that just aren't realistic.

Hoppinggreen · 17/03/2025 19:51

Bigwelshlamb · 17/03/2025 19:47

I have absolutely no issue at all. I genuinely do not understand the hate at all.

I have seen no hate on here

Enough4me · 17/03/2025 19:52

You've never had feelings that women have, just ones that you, a man, have.

Unless you can reverse time, go back to a single egg cell and conception happens with an X sperm (instead of your Y from your dad) you will always be male.

The Earth will be flat before that happens.

EdithBond · 17/03/2025 19:52

teentantrums · 17/03/2025 19:48

yes

No, don’t think anyone should have to use communal showers anywhere. Was horrendous when we had to have them at school.

HermioneWeasley · 17/03/2025 19:52

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 17/03/2025 19:44

Yes! Let’s all do away with sex segregated safeguarding measures because a poster was cadging make up off trans women 35 years ago in the ladies loos and because it doesn’t matter to them, it shouldn’t matter to anyone else 😂. Sorted!

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Yes, we should definitely house rapists in women’s prisons on the basis of that anecdote

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 17/03/2025 19:53

ChessorBuckaroo · 17/03/2025 19:45

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/27/opinion/racism-white-women.html

How White Women Use Themselves as Instruments of Terror

"We often like to make white supremacy a testosterone-fueled masculine expression, but it is just as likely to wear heels as a hood. Indeed, untold numbers of lynchings were executed because white women had claimed that a black man raped, assaulted, talked to or glanced at them. The Tulsa race massacre, the destruction of Black Wall Street, was spurred by an incident between a white female elevator operator and a black man. As the Oklahoma Historical Society points out, the most common explanation is that he stepped on her toe. As many as 300 people were killed because of it. The torture and murder of 14-year-old Emmett Till in 1955, a lynching actually, occurred because a white woman said that he "grabbed her and was menacing and sexually crude toward her". This practice, this exercise in racial extremism has been dragged into the modern era through the weaponizing of 9-1-1, often by white women, to invoke the power and force of the police who they are fully aware are hostile to black men. This was again evident when a white woman in New York's Central Park told a black man, a bird-watcher, that she was going to call the police and tell them that he was threatening her life."

crikey

you seem a bit...racist

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 17/03/2025 19:53

ChessorBuckaroo · 17/03/2025 19:45

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/27/opinion/racism-white-women.html

How White Women Use Themselves as Instruments of Terror

"We often like to make white supremacy a testosterone-fueled masculine expression, but it is just as likely to wear heels as a hood. Indeed, untold numbers of lynchings were executed because white women had claimed that a black man raped, assaulted, talked to or glanced at them. The Tulsa race massacre, the destruction of Black Wall Street, was spurred by an incident between a white female elevator operator and a black man. As the Oklahoma Historical Society points out, the most common explanation is that he stepped on her toe. As many as 300 people were killed because of it. The torture and murder of 14-year-old Emmett Till in 1955, a lynching actually, occurred because a white woman said that he "grabbed her and was menacing and sexually crude toward her". This practice, this exercise in racial extremism has been dragged into the modern era through the weaponizing of 9-1-1, often by white women, to invoke the power and force of the police who they are fully aware are hostile to black men. This was again evident when a white woman in New York's Central Park told a black man, a bird-watcher, that she was going to call the police and tell them that he was threatening her life."

Nice try. Where are the figures for how many women killed men, google is your friend.

teentantrums · 17/03/2025 19:53

EdithBond · 17/03/2025 19:52

No, don’t think anyone should have to use communal showers anywhere. Was horrendous when we had to have them at school.

But they do exist. Should girls have to be prepared to use them with males? Because that is what we are talking about. Girls being made to strip off in front of males - not sharing a bit of lippy in a crowded bathroom.

BinWim · 17/03/2025 19:54

Bigwelshlamb · 17/03/2025 19:47

I have absolutely no issue at all. I genuinely do not understand the hate at all.

So you’d be happy to have fully unisex toilets and changing rooms everywhere?

you’d be happy for young girls to share spaces with men as long as the men wear dresses?

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 17/03/2025 19:54

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 17/03/2025 19:53

Nice try. Where are the figures for how many women killed men, google is your friend.

That poster seems a bit desperate

illinivich · 17/03/2025 19:54

BinWim · 17/03/2025 19:39

They never pass. It’s immediately obvious.

I have met, worked with, and associated with dozens of transwomen who believe they pass. They don’t 99.9% of the time.

r/transpassing both proves this, and shows why they believe they do pass. They’re all lying to each other.

Reddit is also an interesting place to understand what these men really think of women.

Not only have they removed the ability of women to have women only spaces, the way they talk about women in general is enlightening. Unless we are 'you go girl'ing and prioritising them, they are angry with us. Its as if our only role is to focus on them and to say how wonderful they are.

Its a script that we have seen in this thread - mantras that lack any feminist analysis or practical real world situations. Why would any woman focus on night club toilets and sharing makeup and not consider the day to day realities of vulnerable woman and girls in more quiet toilets? Its because trans ideology cannot cope with these situation. If we have to think of teen and pre teen girls, the situations these men want to insert themselves into becomes alarming.

ArabellaScott · 17/03/2025 19:54

Men commit around 80% of all violent crime.

99% of all sexual assault.

95% of all homicides.

Elsvieta · 17/03/2025 19:56

Merrymouse · 17/03/2025 19:48

The same way that you stop people 'heavy petting' in the pool/adults hogging the children's swings/people jumping the queue at the supermarket.

Creating an expectation and relying on the social contract.

But going to prison or being put in a hospital bed isn't like joining a yoga class; people don't usually get a lot of choice, and probably aren't worrying much about expectations or the social contract. The people who are most likely to be dangerous are the ones most likely to ignore such things or find ways around them. We need actual rules, that can be enforced.

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 17/03/2025 19:56

Elsvieta · 17/03/2025 19:51

Rightly or wrongly, it's seen as a "civil rights" / equality kind of issue. They never go backwards, or not in Europe at least; governments don't take away rights from women, gay people, ethnic minorities or whatever. Thinking the whole idea that it's possible to change sex will just be abolished is like thinking the next government might get rid of same-sex marriage or something like that. I don't think time and energy should be wasted on ideas that just aren't realistic.

‘governments don't take away rights from women, gay people, ethnic minorities’

Is this serious?! Where exactly do you live?

Elsvieta · 17/03/2025 19:58

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 17/03/2025 19:56

‘governments don't take away rights from women, gay people, ethnic minorities’

Is this serious?! Where exactly do you live?

I live in the UK, and I did say "in Europe". Ok, maybe amend it to "Western Europe".

OhcantthInkofaname · 17/03/2025 20:00

Honesty- and DeanElderberry has the right idea.

Merrymouse · 17/03/2025 20:00

Elsvieta · 17/03/2025 19:56

But going to prison or being put in a hospital bed isn't like joining a yoga class; people don't usually get a lot of choice, and probably aren't worrying much about expectations or the social contract. The people who are most likely to be dangerous are the ones most likely to ignore such things or find ways around them. We need actual rules, that can be enforced.

Prisons and hospitals should have information on the sex of prisoners and patients, so I don't see why it wouldn't be possible for them to enforce rules.

TheKeatingFive · 17/03/2025 20:02

Elsvieta · 17/03/2025 19:51

Rightly or wrongly, it's seen as a "civil rights" / equality kind of issue. They never go backwards, or not in Europe at least; governments don't take away rights from women, gay people, ethnic minorities or whatever. Thinking the whole idea that it's possible to change sex will just be abolished is like thinking the next government might get rid of same-sex marriage or something like that. I don't think time and energy should be wasted on ideas that just aren't realistic.

This is a bit of a cautionary tale for you.

www.spiegel.de/international/germany/past-pedophile-links-haunt-german-green-party-a-899544.html

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