Is there any future you'd accept for trans people?

[AYoungTransWoman]

Hello, I'm a young trans person who transitioned in my teens. I've been on hormones my entire adult life, have a GRC and will have Gender Reassignment Surgery imminently.

Is there any future you would accept for people like me who have gone through everything?

Because another poster (can't remember who can't be bothered to look) accused me of trying to give consent on the behalf of all women because I personally don't mind if a man who had had his penis surgically removed accesses women's spaces. I never said (and don't think) that makes him a woman. But this other poster jumped on me for it. I didn't say she was hysterical and I didn't say men can become women and I do undertand people will disagree with me and that's fine. But this debate is so toxic we can't even talk about it without overreacting- so I despair!

After a while … the wrong shoe starts to feel right and natural. Ask anyone who has had to cope with physical hardship.

You can’t change sex however much you want to

This. I have MS. You get used to shit you don’t like about your body. You grow up and you make it work

Of course they're not women.

Women are human, you know!

Responsible for birthing every person on the planet. They're not just men without a penis.

How sexist do you have to be?

to imagine that the definition of a woman starts with the word, 'a man who...'

ffs

@Sallyssn
What did you say? What the @&*% did you say?
people CANNOT-change sex. Not in the past, not now not ever
It’s neither disgusting or disrespectful

I have read a full thread on another site that I suggest you search for OP. Search for SRS and GRS surgeons.

it’s a collection of saved posts by hundreds of transgender people. The gist is that following surgery these transgender people live with lack of sensation, no sensation, the inability to orgasm or feel anything, fistulas of many kinds, incontinence issues both fecal and urinal, and a huge amount of depression and medical issues.

I’ve seen almost zero evidence of successful surgeries. These posts are all from people who have had the surgeries. The results to not look or function as the biological organ they are supposed to be.

It is medical mutilation and castration. People often have to have years of corrective surgeries and cannot have sex.

Be very very wary. Many transgender people are being sold a lie.

Yep.transphobic.

That was me. What you personally do or don't mind is completely irrelevant and of no interest to anyone UNLESS you are implying that none of us should mind.

And I do mind, and think that those of us who mind have a right to do so.

I rest my case.

This, and I wish you well in dealing with any future health issues you have from a lifetime of taking medication that your body doesn’t need. They won’t be the health issues that often affect women as they age, but please take care of yourself. And also make sure that you are aware of the health issues that can affect older men, you might not want to recognise your sex but your body won’t forget.

You don't have one

That’s probably for the best.

Basically the people pretending to be trans are ruining it for the genuine ones.

In other words, trans people are harmless, until they harm others, then they weren't trans at all.

In reality, trans people do do harm because they want to 'queer' sex as a class. As we all know, knowing an individuals sex is crucial for safeguarding. We really should be asking ourselves why do these men want to remove such a fundamental partbof safeguarding?

It always comes down to this.
If you take 3 islands, with provisions for life.
Put 50 women and 50 men together.
In 100 years there will be life.
Put 50 Transmen and 50 woman...
Skeletons. No life.
Put 50 Trans women and 50 men.
Skeletons. No life.
Transmen are not men.
Trans women are not woman.
Own this and people will help you in life.

@elliejjtiny Not ‘genuinely’ trans? Just ‘pretending’??? That statement could be interpreted by some people as being ‘transphobic’

How do we tell the difference?

Do you not understand how bloody misogynistic it is to think that a man could ever experience anything as a woman?

None of their medical issues, none of their conception issues, none of their menstruation issues, none of their pregnancy, or lack of, issues, none of their menopause issues.

What issues are the same? Wearing a dress???

If you've gone through all the surgeries I will call you the gender you want to be, but I will not accept someone who started life as a man coming into female spaces and acting like they understand because they don't, just like how I don't understand their journey.
I also don't think it needs to be sung about and be someone's whole personality.

Well, it's impossible to tell what anyone's motivations are. Abusers and predators don't advertise the fact.

Even if a man does.have good intent, though, this doesn't mean it's okay for him to use women's spaces.

If you've gone through all the surgeries I will call you the gender you want to be

How would you know if someone has had any surgery?

It would have been called ‘personality’ in the olden days @WavyRavey

This (Sally's post) is exactly what I meant when I discussed how things were before the TWAW mantra was bandied about. I know that we can't actually go back in time, but that stupid thought-terminating-cliche needs to be binned. It's done no favours to trans identified people and has had negative consequences to biological women (plus some men) and also to children.

I'm going to stop reading the thread now as I've got some other stuff to do, but thank you everyone for your comments. I came here because I wanted to see what other people thought instead of just what those inside my own community say. Wish you all a nice evening and a good start to your week x

I'm really sorry your life has been made more difficult by dysphoria. And I'm sorry you have to worry about the meds that make life easier for you being taken away.

I'm not trans, but I do know what it's like to face barriers to just living your life, and what it's like to rely on public healthcare (and worry about political decisions about it) in order to maintain a decent quality of life. I can't imagine what it's like to have the added difficulty that whenever you talk about your own life, and your own deeply personal experiences, the conversation quickly turns to a wider debate and the raising of issues that you yourself are not responsible for. It's hard enough to discuss your health without people asking you to be an expert on "The Debate" whenever you try.

I'd like to see a future where culture and public dialogue, both around trans people and everything else, becomes less polarised and less influenced by what's going around (or being put around) on socials and in the media. Where the focus is on trying to understand others and work things out together, rather than reducing everything to a story with goodies/baddies/winners/losers. It's much easier to be yourself, and to have sensible conversations, in an environment that's not preinclined towards argument.

No he isn't.

In terms of chromosomes, he is not a woman.
Physically he is not a woman
Mentally he is not a woman.
Reproductively he is not a woman.

He can choose to live freely, to dress as a woman, to call himself by a woman's name, to identify as a woman, to have whoever he wishes as a partner but that doesn't change scientific fact.

If the trans community stopped trying to force this illogical and incorrect nonsense on women, they would find they get a much more supportive reception. They would be widely accepted as the varied and decent individuals that they are.

But it is playing this ludicrous game of the emperor's new clothes that generates all the antipathy and resistance among women.