Is there any future you'd accept for trans people?

[AYoungTransWoman]

Hello, I'm a young trans person who transitioned in my teens. I've been on hormones my entire adult life, have a GRC and will have Gender Reassignment Surgery imminently.

Is there any future you would accept for people like me who have gone through everything?

I am sure that the people posting the term 'terf' realise that it is a derogatory slur. And yet, there are so many doing it on this thread and who feel righteous in doing so.

I wish for you a life free of the narrow-mindedness that’s prevalent on this thread.
I wish for you a life full of love.
It’s what I wish for everyone.

I would hope that in the future, you and other males realise that you cannot be a woman in any way, shape or form.

Stay out of women’s spaces. Simple.

I have a feeling you meant this as a dig, a criticism, a shaming.

Well, it isn't. Most of the women on here are proud of standing up for our rights in this space.

@DreamTheMoors could you give an example of the narrow mindedness you have seen on this thread, and what your open minded version would be?

@UpsideDownChairs

"My 10 year old son goes into male toilets - they're not scary places, although he was nervous to go alone at first, but being a little boy, he doesn't have any choice in the matter."

But your son is going into male spaces because he is male. A male toilet surely is a scary place for someone presenting as female or who is biologically female. So by your logic, if male toilets are not scary places for people who look like women then it must follow that men aren't the threat they're being portrayed to be?

Do you not believe that any of us have genuine concerns about women and young people’s safety and physical and mental well-being? Some of us have written quite heartfelt posts about this. Some have children who they’ve become estranged from even though they offered nothing but love and support. It’s quite callous to suggest otherwise. It also seems to be that women can’t win either way in this movement.

For women, too? Survivors of CSA, sexual assault? Religious women? Women whose views you don't agree with?

I see this thread now as just another vehicle to come and throw around derogatory slurs to people and to shame people who disagree that any male person can be a female.

Maybe that was always the original intent.

What is probably clear though is that while those who don't believe that a male can be a female person, there is no derogatory terms used. Plus ca change.

You are very young and may not be familiar with the female body. I want you to be aware that when your penis is inverted to make a neo-vagina, it will be much higher up your body than a woman's vagina is. Her vagina is between her legs, but your neo-vagina will be on the front of your body, where your penis is now. It will always be in the wrong place. Please take this on board. Please don't have this pointless, painful surgery just so that men can use it to ejaculate into. You know there is no other reason to go through it. You are worth so much more. I hope you find peace in your mind and body.

Where's the logic? Men are a threat to women and girls. Vawg is largely a male against female problem.

It's cosplay/LARPing. The OP has no more idea of living as a woman than my friend Steve does of playing at being an English civil war soldier once a month.

@AYoungTransWoman not feeling like being the kind of boy and then man that your society and upbringing has led you to think you need to be, is not the same as being a woman. The only requirement for that is to be an adult human female, it is sex-based and immutable.

I don't "feel like a woman". I just am one. I feel like me. I reject the vast majority of what society expects me to be like because of my sex, because it doesn't suit me. That doesn't make me a man.

Why is a male toilet more scary for a gender non-conforming male than for any other vulnerable male person?

99% of sexual offenders are male. 97% of those raped are female. 88% of those sexually offended against are female. Male patterns of sexual offending do not change because they identify as women and may be higher. There is a reason that women have separate spaces away from men.
https://www.sexsegregation.org.uk/by-country-jurisdiction

1 in 4 women over the age of 16 has been sexually assaulted.

https://rapecrisis.org.uk/get-informed/statistics-sexual-violence/

You are proposing that those women who have already experienced sexual assault in their lives should have to go into a space and pull their pants down where men may be present. The only way for this not to happen is if all men stay out of female spaces. Perhaps we should be pushing to get men to be more accommodating of their fellow men.

Third spaces are a great idea. As the cases of Sandie Peggie in Fife and the Darlington nurses has shown. There are men who identify as women who do not accept women's boundaries and are not interested in third spaces. They want to be in women's spaces to validate their trans identity even if that causes distress to women. Both Sandie Peggie and at least one of the Darlington nurses has previously experienced sexual assault.

Any examples of narrow mindedness? Or just another plopper post.

There’s been the usual few, it’s almost like this thread was set up for it.

Well said.

The future I would like for all of us is one where people's disordered ideas about how the opposite sex think, feel and live are not treated as the legal or social definition of that sex, nor allowed to justify access to the resources, protections and language of the opposite sex.

Women are support humans who must Be Kind, Be Quiet, and help others be the best they can be!

Absolutely this.

It is important for male people to realise this.

And to understand that to believe that a cavity that is created to enable objects or body parts to be placed into it is not a vagina. It is another act of misogyny to believe that this is what a vagina is. It should be called something completely different because it is no form of vagina.

Your own future is up to you. I'd consider the medical implications carefully though.

I personaly will never accept men in womens spaces or believe that men can somehow become women, but I don't have any input over your future. Your life is what you make it, good luck (and please think carefully about the phsical side of messing with your male endocrine system).

Thanks for bringing this important issue up.

There are surgeons and other medical professionals in this field who frankly are not fit to practice medicine. It is really disgusting how badly some trans identified people have been treated when they have surgical complications.

But it is incorrect.

The 'issue' is with all male people. Do you have any evidence at all that the group of male people at any stage of transition are less of a safeguarding risk than the general UK male population?

And if you don't, why are you supporting the concept that the only risk is some male person 'posing as a transwoman'?

Please start linking up the evidence to support this claim.