Lesbian mistaken for trans woman in woman's bathroom in Arizona

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https://www.advocate.com/news/lesbian-mistaken-transgender-arizona-walmart

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/masculine-looking-cis-woman-confronted-by-cops-in-walmart-restroom-kalaya-morton-demands-justice-video/ar-AA1AdWpn

But I thought people "can always tell"?

It also led to the irony the only males in the bathroom were two male police officers who were notified by a store employee who mistakenly thought a male had entered the woman's toilets.

"In an alarming incident at a Tucson, Arizona Walmart, 19-year-old Kalaya Morton*, a Black cisgender lesbian, was confronted by two male sheriff’s deputies while using the women’s restroom, sparking outrage and a demand for accountability.
Morton, who identifies as masculine-presenting or a “stud,” recounted the humiliating encounter that occurred when a store employee erroneously assumed she was a transgender woman. The saga began innocuously enough: Morton had entered the restroom with her ex-girlfriend, who was kindly handing her a tampon— an act of friendship that, unfortunately, soon spiraled into something far more troubling. In an exclusive interview with The Advocate, Morton detailed her shock when the two deputies barged in, shining flashlights into the restroom stall.

“You have to get out of here. You have to come out. We need to talk to you.” Imagine trying to pee in peace, only to have the police storm in like it’s an episode of Cops: Restroom Edition.
“I’m still using the restroom. I’m sitting down, I’m peeing. What is the issue?,” Morton incredulously told the deputies as she sat there.
Now, while most people hope for a streamlined bathroom experience, Morton was treated more like a suspect than a bathroom user. The deputies apparently needed to crack the case of “Who Looks Like a Man in the Ladies’ Room,” a particularly absurd mystery, if you ask us."

That's one way to avoid answering any questions on your position 👍🏻 I'll add that to the list of scolding, calling us meanies etc

Have we got ti genital inspections yet on the bingo card??

Yep, I quite enjoyed that too.

@Helpmelosemymind, I think I've done my bit in response to the request presented in your username, and for my part will give you a break now as your posts are making less sense the longer this goes on.

Whatever you're getting from this debate (it#s hard to tell if it's confusion, rage or total disingenuity), I've got what I wanted: confirmation that I can justify my position even in the face of counter-arguments - and, yes, another important reminder of specific difficulties faced by Black women in the US, confirming yet another upsetting way in which this ideology has the potential to impact negatively on females. Thank you for this.

If you support males accessing female spaces without being questioned or challenged, as I assume you do, and are posting in good faith, I hope you can test out your own arguments, too - perhaps by replying a bit more directly to some of the responses above in a way that doesn't resort to more rhetorical strawmanning.

There was an request for service for suspected criminal trespass.

https://www.azleg.gov/ars/13/01503.htm

So we need to accept an unlimited number of police calls any and every time a GNC woman comes across a hyper vigilant woman in the toilets?

I know this for a fact as I am close personal friends with several serving police Chief Inspectors btw).

Cringing for you at this! However surely this means you know the % of the women raped or assaulted everyday that are by random strangers in the toilets yeah? And it's the majority of them which totally justifies harassing women in the toilets, right?

One last in response to this, then!

First, "you type a lot without saying a lot" is ironic on so many levels I wouldn't know where to start. Let's just politely call my posts a patient attempt to pre-empt bad faith arguments and/or (deliberately?) careless misreading. On the latter, I acknowledge, I appear to have failed! I'm pretty content with the former. 😂

But speaking of making things more complex than they need to be... "Policing" single-sex spaces?! That would require a 100-page policy indeed. No wonder you find this overwhelming.

It's OK. The solution is simply to do things the way we've done them since women first won the right to public facilities just 100 mere years ago. 3 words:

The social contract.

It worked until TRAs started complicating things with - guess what?! - too many words and the redefinition of those on which we relied.

The usual counter-argument to this is that not everyone will uphold it. To which I say, quite simply, another 3 words:

Obviously! So what?

(Edited bc I apparently can't count single-figure numbers of words! 😬)

But how do you actually do that? Do we all have to consent to being policed by the self appointed toilet police?

Absolutely. Did you not read the article? The woman had to show her boobs.

Although, thinking about it... now men have boobs, so I'm not sure that's going to work.

Fuck, back to the drawing board.

That's a lot of words to say you want to continue not answering a question! Repeating their own point back to a poster, isn't strawmanning unless it's misrepresenting their argument. A little like you accusing me of supporting males accessing spaces without being questioned - that's a good example for you of a strawman.

@Helpmelosemymind when I was resuscitating a young woman on the floor of the ladies toilets in a nightclub, two paramedics came in to put her on a stretcher to take her away. I can’t really remember but I think they were both men.

When women are spiked then followed by the spiked to the enclosed toilet cubicle in a nightclub, should not male guards be allowed in to rescue the woman?

They should be no fit of the vapours. Everyone except you seems fine with the above scenarios.

The unsavory facts are that women are assaulted by men. Everyone knows this. You know this. There are statistics and reports to show that women and girls are raped in public toilet cubicles. I didn’t realise the extent of this until I started researching. But police would very much realise that if they had a report of a man going into the women’s toilets, that there could be a possibility of a serious problem.

If you want I can give you some statistics to help you understand.

Presumably white straight women on this forum??

I think your prejudice and preconceptions are showing.

None of that answers my questions of how we prevent the much more regular occurrence of women being policed for not being feminine enough. If this was all the fault of TRAs, we would be having increasing incidents of women being mistaken for trans women, but that's not what we are talking about and is rarely happening. Instead, GNC women are being accused of being men accessing women's spaces, so how is that the fault of TRAs?

Probably. Learning to use an STP device so I can reliably use the gents required all three, tbh.😂

Stop with the disingenuous twaddle

I said that the police of any sex, if called because someone thinks they're needed, are welcome.

Stop trying to make this complicated. It's pathetically ridiculous

I said that the police of any sex, if called because someone thinks they're needed, are welcome.

Said with the ignorance of someone who doesn't care how many innocent black people are killed by them police because a white person "thinks they're needed" on a thread about someone misjudging the need for police.

That's far too grown-up, logical, sensible and pro women.

It's gonna go down like a cup of cold sick with that poster

It's almost like there's a difference between an actual need for an emergency presence and someone calling the police unnecessarily for a black woman using the loo

@Helpmelosemymind "None of that answers my questions of how we prevent the much more regular occurrence of women being policed for not being feminine enough. If this was all the fault of TRAs, we would be having increasing incidents of women being mistaken for trans women"

They're not being policed for not being feminine enough but because women think they're men. Women are increasingly concerned about men accessing women only areas because...TRAmen are accessing women only areas. We're not seeing increasing incidents of women being mistaken for transwomen because we recognise a transwomen when we see one and know the difference.

It seems rather strange to me to assume that everyone on this forum, which is open to the whole world, is a) white, b) straight, and c) a woman. And if they were, would that invalidate their opinions?

The truth is that there are people on here who are not white, people who are not straight, and people who are not women.

for FUCK'S SAKES
I do care, not that you care what i believe, about the FUCKING AWFUL record the US (and the UK come to that) police have with POC. And women.

I have said repeatedly, and this is the last time i will say it (because you will be determined not to understand anyway): if someone calls the police, i am ok with them attending the (perceived) emergency. I am well aware that some police are racist misogynist fuckers. I do not believe that in most cases, where they have been called, and attend a (perceived) incident that they will act in anything other than a professional way given that they are a) identifiable and b) likely to have bodycams on. I can also imagine that anyone they are called to will be filming with their phone anyway.

People are killed by cars all the time. And yet i am still ok with the fact that people have and drive cars.

One other thing. I am not ok with butch lesbians, GNC women or other women being constantly policed on their use of our single sex spaces. Caveat: if you go out of your way to not "look like a woman", then you must (unfortunately) expect that on occasion you will be asked about this. We all have the rabid TRAs to thank for this and nobody else.

You are making an utter fool of yourself. It has been amusing but i've had enough now.

did you get all the screenshots you need?

How about men all agree not to go into women's toilets, then we won't have to worry?

That a bad case of correctile dysfunction you’ve got there.

The report was a man was it not? It is not relevant that it was a woman in the end because the original perception was a man (as you know of course).

I note you or Chris never ever want to deal with facts or reality.

I mean why isn't Christina on a trans forum saying "Alright lads, look at this- us using the ladies is causing trouble for black lesbians. Shall we knock it on the head and leave the women to it? "

What is the implied argument anyway? A woman using the women's bathroom was mistaken for a man, therefore men should be allowed to use the women's bathroom? No thanks.

It's just DARVO "we've made you all worry for your safety therefore it's your fault you're all worried for your safety."

I think it’s hilarious (in a sad way) that people genuinely think men need to dress up as women in order to attack women and girls in female spaces. They don’t. They never have. I’ve been attacked by cis men in female toilets twice.

Generally if a man is planning to attack a woman in such a space he will lay in wait until the woman is alone in the space and sneak in. So whether he sneaks in dressed as a man or whether he dons a dress and wig first is irrelevant. They attack when you are alone and no one else is around to perceive them.

People keep bringing up the one case of trans woman Katie Dolatowski attacking a girl but I can name you countless cases of cis men attacking girls and women in toilets.

Lee Mullen attacked a woman in a toilet in a hospital.

https://metro.co.uk/2025/02/21/police-release-cctv-hunt-man-raped-14-year-old-girl-train-station-toilets-22601830/

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9030devxpdo

https://metro.co.uk/2024/10/02/woman-followed-tesco-toilet-cubicle-raped-broad-daylight-21721026/

That’s just four but I could go on and on. So let’s stop pretending trans women are attacking us left, right and centre in toilets. They aren’t. Men are. They always have. Focusing on the tiny, tiny percent of the population that are trans women when the vast majority will never attack anybody is such a red herring and such lazy feminism.

“Stop men from wearing dresses and make them rape us in their ordinary man clothes!!” is what you might as well be yelling.