Trump re trans issues / Tate brothers

[Mittens67]

I have read many threads both before and after the US election where posters are so pleased that Trump does not support the trans agenda. Some also saying that this was the most important issue which would and did influence their vote in the UK election.
Do you still feel the same now? Trump has shown his contempt for women throughout his life and career. Now he has bullied Romania into lifting the travel ban on the Tates and flown them into Florida ready to abuse more women and radicalise a new generation of misogynists and rapists.
Any buyer’s remorse?

Sartorial derail: I think the same thing about the obnoxious Conor McGregor, who wears suits that look a size or two too small for him. I wonder if it's 'See how big my muscles are, they can't be contained by normal man-apparel'.

I suspect we're seeing a real live case of TDS - Trump Derangement Syndrome. Because he's such an appalling man, the mummies of Mumsnet are responsible for him and must stop trying to safeguard children and maintain women's rights to safety from men because we aren't capable of fighting more than one battle and Andrew Tate ..... errr.... ummmm.... reasons?

What do you want to see? American women saying sorry for voting for Trump? You might be better off asking American women that than mumsnet.

It's even sader that you can't clarify this;

What have women in the UK bought that you are asking them if they are remorseful for?

Once again you post lots of words which say nothing. Andrew Tate and trump have nothing to do with us.

It is weird! I sat down with DS to watch a Tate video when Tate first became a thing, planning to have an open discussion with my male teenager and address the sexism.
Instead, DS and I both got the giggles and ended up crying with laughter at the ridiculousness of him. I don't know how he is taken seriously. He's so pompous.

@Mittens67
Your OP read like a rebuke to MN to me. "Are you sorry for what you did yet?"
You chose and set the tone. You have no right to act surprised that tone was reflected back in the replies to you.

I would've preferred to see the Democrats renounce and undo all their absurd and harmful policies that promoted "gender identity" over sex. It would've sorted the problem out and made it impossible for the Republicans to use this as a wedge issue.

It is so utterly ridiculous that it took Trump of all people to address these harms to women and children, when it would've been a perfectly reasonable left-wing policy change if only Biden's team had considered the issue from feminist and safeguarding perspectives.

Nonetheless I'm glad he signed those executive orders.

but I haven’t seen many caveats and references to the other crap which he has done at the same time.

That's because this is the "sex and gender discussions" board. The "other crap" is off-topic.

If you want to see discussions about other topics, go to the boards for the other topics.

But what is it that you want or expect us to do, OP?

Mostly on here we're UK women.

Is it just a general condemnathon you're looking for? To what end?

I think there may be slightly more going on here that we know. Romania is in a very unsettled political state, the elected government is not being recognised by the overseeing authority ( apologies for my feeble grasp, I expect there are people who can explain much better than me). I have a suspicion that this may be more to do with the US conflict with the EU and its supranational stance than with the rights and very wrongs of these two miscreants.

I'm an American woman, a libertarian-conservative, a lesbian and I am very happy for girls and women's rights that Trump won.
I'm also very happy that he cut off USAID that was internationally funding the trans agenda!
That's huge
I hear all the time from former Democratic, leftish women how insane the Dems are over this. The Governor of Maine is defying the Federal govt to keep boys in women's sports . They don't understand; I don't either. Ask Kara Dansky .
Trump's cutting govt waste with DOGE has like 80% approval and if he ends the Ukraine war he'll be even more popular.

I'll also point out that Trump used to be firmly TWAW.

Long ago while women in the UK were getting attacked and threatened and cancelled for criticising and asking questions.

So he changed his mind. Are women in the UK supposed to regularly check to see what his view is on various issues and dutifully take the opposite position?

Are there any issues women are allowed to just have our own views on, regardless of what various men round the world's thoughts on the subject?

On the contrary, @MrsLeonFarrell the Dems own personal (Blueprint2024) private polling company says transgender issues was the third reason for a vote for Trump in the swing states. There is a reason the 'They/Them' ad was so successful and he played it 10 times more in swing states. The amount of feminists on twitter and elsewhere, many of them lesbians and who posted pics of them voting for Trump, that said they were voting for Trump based on this issue is phenomenal. You are in deep denial as to how crucial this issue was. It basically gave Trump the election.

There are not much 'bigger issues' than RAPE SURVIVORS having safe single sex spaces - single sex spaces which affect 100% of women and girls every day, and fair sport. You are minimising how serious and vital this issue is. It doesn't come more bigger or more serious than this. You remind me of those handmaidens during the suffragette era who said there were 'more important issues'.

There always will be 'more important issues'. Which means, we NEVER get around to safeguarding women and girls. Ever. To me? Women and girls being able to feel safe participating in society? It's a FAR GREATER issue than having women voting.

Is stopping the trans agenda worth any price or at what point do other issues take precedence?

Giving women our basic human rights back, is worth any price. Any price.

Fan of what/who?

The issue didn't blow up back then, at least not to the extent it has now. It wasn't even a topic discussed anywhere, I myself hadn't even heard of it.

Odd opening post ... surely a poster and the Orange Tosser can be in agreement about one or even two views yet that no mean they share some sort of Hive Mind?

Why have you lumped trans into your title?

So many people are being screwed by that idiots policies right now with their actual livelihoods in jeopardy. Not just the vanishingly rare/enormous (delete as appropriate because apparently the size of this population changes with the wind) trans people in the US

Is stopping the trans agenda worth any price or at what point do other issues take precedence?

Interesting that this question is always directed at the women who did not capitulate to unfair genderist demands in support of some "greater good".

Why isn't the question being asked of Genderists "is validating trans people's demands to be accepted as the opposite sex worth any price or at what point do other issues take precedence?"

Genderism broke the Left's faith with women, not the other way round.

I have not changed my mind about biology. The blame for this Trumpfest is on the Democrats who supported men in women's sports etc. We have them to thank for Trump (and his rudeness to Canada, Denmark, the EU, the UK etc) and they should all hang their heads in shame and start learning some proper biology, not the stuff produced by Gender ideologists.

I can assure you the women here have been fighting it for far longer than 5 years

I understand the general principle of 'whatever happens it's always the woman's fault' and sort of understand the extended cut version 'always the women's fault', but in both those cases it's women who were there when the Awful Thing happened.

But now women are to blame for things in countries they don't live in.

It's like that other thread where some woman in America in the 2000s was to blame for something that happened in England in the 1970s. I realise we're terrible rights-hoarding dinosaurs with no thought for anyone except ourselves and especially not for the poor dear downtrodden men but I think some of the poor dear downtrodden men also had votes and share blame for the Awful Things.

Absolutely Dean. We all ought to remember our place

I see this as the equivalent of a stopped clock being right twice a day. Trump is right on this point but wrong on pretty much everything else he has done since returning to power.