Trump re trans issues / Tate brothers

[Mittens67]

I have read many threads both before and after the US election where posters are so pleased that Trump does not support the trans agenda. Some also saying that this was the most important issue which would and did influence their vote in the UK election.
Do you still feel the same now? Trump has shown his contempt for women throughout his life and career. Now he has bullied Romania into lifting the travel ban on the Tates and flown them into Florida ready to abuse more women and radicalise a new generation of misogynists and rapists.
Any buyer’s remorse?

I did not vote in the US elections. So, no buyer's remorse on that count. Not sure why on earth you think we should have buyer's remorse on a UK site. We discuss the pros and cons of his decisions, but we had nothing to do with his election.

Or do you think we lack the ability to think a politician can do one or two things that will be good for women and girls and still think that the politician has a horrific track record otherwise? Do you only think people think in such tribal and polarised ways as mature adults?

100%

Perhaps we are actually more powerful than we think, Helle. Maybe the six or seven women and their sockpuppets on here have in fact managed to swing the election of the leader of the free world. Despite not having a vote. Just by directing the sheer ragey power of our middle-aged ovaries in a westerly direction.

What shall we do next? Can we use our powers for good as well as evil?

I fear my powers have been overstated, another day with no free meal. Though I did fix my washing machine yesterday.

Mittens Any buyer’s remorse?’

I wish I didn’t feel so strongly about women’s rights, I really do. It’s an awful affliction. Now I feel all ‘responsible’ for the Tates being free in America. All because I believe that you can’t change sex. I made Trump win from all the way over in the UK by having that thought. Shit!

Not sure why anyone bothered to respond to this thead.

Its already been discussed on two other threads (and probably others).

In replying you help elevate the title of this thread into search engines.

Its just click bait, and it happens so often on FWR not sure why anyone plays along.

mwah ha ha ha!

It is remarkable though isn't it that a thread is posted with what is basically an accusation "do you have buyer's remorse" but apparently is supposed to have been to open discussion. Plus ca change!

The issue didn't blow up back then, at least not to the extent it has now. It wasn't even a topic discussed anywhere, I myself hadn't even heard of it.

It was being discussed a lot here, on this board, and on social media, and occasionally legacy media.

People like OP are presumably the reason US politics is so ridiculously polarised, which in turn is the reason it's so hard for either party to achieve lasting change.

The Republican Party and Trump supporters are the people responsible for electing a rapist who imports other rapists to the USA.

Given the answers the OP, I respectfully disagree.

BWAHAHAHA - I identify as all powerful.

The women of mumsnet LITERALLY caused Trump to be President of the United States. Despite not even having a single vote.

Our POWER IS UNRIVALLED.

Can we get rid of Starmer next?

After we've ensured the safeguarding of children and women, naturally. Priorities.

I used to wonder how the world would see the trans movement in fifty years. A moment of insanity maybe, like the 'glass delusion'. But I think when they're reviewing it historically, it'll also be seen as something the right wing weaponised, and which played a role in the rise of the right in America. I'm not at all saying we shouldn't speak out against genderism - we should. But it's increasingly sickening me how the right have used it as a wedge issue.

But it's increasingly sickening me how the right have used it as a wedge issue

Langcleg among others predicted this a good 7 years ago.

But sure, @MarsScarlet of course it isn't anything to do with "progressives" making themselves unelectable by adopting untenable policies and positions 👍🏻

I'm certainly fucked off by a lot of what Trump does and I couldn't bring myself to vote for him. I'm not sure about your framing, though.

A vote for Pamela Harris was a vote to allow transwomen to continue to rape women in federal prisons. Is that okay so long as she kept the Tates in Romania?

*Kamala.

A vote for Pamela Harris was a vote to allow transwomen to continue to rape women in federal prisons. Is that okay so long as she kept the Tates in Romania?

Interesting point that I hadn't thought of.

I think it's a bit more than that.

What I have issue with - particularly on this board - is the constant refrain of we now have Trump because of Democrats, ie. it's the fault of Democrats. Abusers talk like that. "It's your fault I hit you," "It's your fault you were kind to people, so now we have Trump!"

Republicans voted for Trump for their own reasons. Revenge on Democratic policies wasn't high on the list as far as I recall.

It's not about Republicans who mostly would have voted for him anyway. It's about normally Democrat voters who switched to voting for Trump.

And Democratic Party voters who did not vote at all, which includes the portion who didn’t vote at all because they didn’t want to vote for the Harris administration.

Yes, I've come across several people who said they sat this election out because it was like voting for a shit sandwich either way. I think someone did a tally check and said something like 1 to 2 million Democrats didn't vote this time. In swing states that could have really swung it Democrats way.

The Tate brothers do not mean it’s OK to put rapists in women’s prisons, carry out mastectomies on 14 year olds or let female boxers be battered by men in the Olympics.

Or do you disagree, perhaps you see those as desirable.

In terms of Trump: even a stopped clock tells the right time twice a day!

The point is that Dems (and Labour/Lib Dems/SNP/Greens here in the UK) consistently frame opposition to GII or support for women's rights as "right wing" or even "far right". Thereby telling anyone who is pro-women or opposed to GII for other reasons to vote for the right. And now the Dems and some people on the UK left are berating US voters because they took the Democrats at their word.

Another thing - the adoption of GII was anti-democratic. Biden's GII-inspired EOs were anti-democratic. They sought to change the law and the Constitution (Titles VII and IX, the right to free speech) by presidential fiat. Not as dramatic as storming the Capitol, but nonetheless... (ETA: What I'm trying to get across is that looked at from a non-tribal perspective, the Democrats are not unambiguously the good guys - Epstein, Hunter Biden, etc)

Everyone has the right to set their own priorities when they vote. Political parties cannot dictate what those priorities are. Bringing Tate back to the USA was not a specific election pledge but abandoning GII was. Voters swung to Trump because of it - voters who would not otherwise have voted Republican.

So I think it is fair to say that the Democrat leadership have to bear responsibility. They made a decision about their priorities - that sticking with their commitment to GII was more important than avoiding the risks a Trump presidency posed. That decision had consequences. They are the ones who should be feeling remorse. But even now, they are doubling down.

Your "abuser" analogy is bad. The proponents of GII - the ACLU, the NCAA, the Democratic leadership - were not "kind". They are the "abusers" of women, children and vulnerable adults. Removing men's privileges, refraining from indulging erroneous beliefs and stopping unnecessary medical and surgical interventions on children and vulnerable adults is not abusive behaviour.

“What I'm trying to get across is that looked at from a non-tribal perspective, the Democrats are not unambiguously the good guys”

And yet, that is the framing of many a post - that the Democratic Party is the party of good and did everything right. The polarisation of the situation is part of the overall problem.