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Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/03/2025 10:05

What I have issue with - particularly on this board - is the constant refrain of we now have Trump because of Democrats

But we do. Not enough Democrats voted to put them in office. Ask yourself why. There are a range of reasons. Your "issue" with it is just that, yours.

And the point is still evading you.

Merrymouse · 01/03/2025 10:06

MarsScarlet · 01/03/2025 09:38

@Helleofabore

It is remarkable to be told that the discussion of the failures of the party is equivalent to an abuser’s actions.

Of course, no one is saying that all Democrats support gender identity being prioritised above sex when sex matters. But it is pointing out that the current policies created by the Biden and Harris leadership teams had significant issues and no discussion was allowed to be had.

It is remarkable how you manage to twist the meaning of words into something else. I was commenting on the similarity of the frequent (so frequent now it's almost a trope) remark of "It's the Democrats' fault Trump was elected" and the words and abuser might use "You made me do this".

This doesn't mean discussion can't be had about the what the Democratic Party can do better. I am talking about how blame is being assigned somehow wholesale, and social media is being used to do it with this type of language.

I don't think anyone would argue that Corbyn didn't contribute towards Boris Johnson's 2019 election win.

Trump's win was shallow, I'm sure many voters were simply voting against the incumbent, and the Democrats weren't helped by the Biden debacle. However, the Democrats handed an attack line to Trump, and have since just doubled down.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/03/2025 10:07

ArabellaScott · 01/03/2025 09:28

FWIW if the UK government fail to address some of these similar issues, they will be 100% weaponised and used by Reform.

That's my Mystic Meg prediction - and for the avoidance of doubt for the hard of thinking does not mean I support Reform.

We saw gender issues have a serious impact on Sturgeon, and theyre doing the same for Swinney. I'd say it's a symptom rather than the cause tbh, but they do act as a useful indicator.

What @ArabellaScott said.

MarsScarlet · 01/03/2025 10:14

@ArabellaScott

So what do you blame Trump's election on?

That's a whole other thread, at the very least! 😄

MarsScarlet · 01/03/2025 10:17

Helleofabore · 01/03/2025 10:04

So people are allowed to discuss the failures of the Democratic Party leadership and policies but they cannot point out the inevitable outcome of that party’s decisions if they believe that it lead to that party losing votes and losing power in government? Or is it phrases that people cannot use?

If you're gearing yourself up for a complaint about censorship!, of course you can discuss these things. You know what I mean about the catchphrase, though. It's everywhere.

Abhannmor · 01/03/2025 10:17

Interestingly, Trump is making the same mistake as the Democrats. He won on inflation and cost of living but he does not seem to understand this. Instead he thinks the culture wars mean the voters will give him a free pass for all the mayhem he is causing farmers and public servants. But the crazy tariffs and sackings will not go unpunished. It is still ' the economy stupid'.

Merrymouse · 01/03/2025 10:19

I acknowledge the optics of blaming a woman... but Liz Truss definitely contributed towards Starmer's win.

frenchnoodle · 01/03/2025 10:21

Still no answers to how it's our fault trump got in or what we have bought and should be remorseful of?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/03/2025 10:21

Interestingly, Trump is making the same mistake as the Democrats. He won on inflation and cost of living but he does not seem to understand this. Instead he thinks the culture wars mean the voters will give him a free pass for all the mayhem he is causing farmers and public servants. But the crazy tariffs and sackings will not go unpunished. It is still ' the economy stupid'.

I agree.

Merrymouse · 01/03/2025 10:24

Abhannmor · 01/03/2025 10:17

Interestingly, Trump is making the same mistake as the Democrats. He won on inflation and cost of living but he does not seem to understand this. Instead he thinks the culture wars mean the voters will give him a free pass for all the mayhem he is causing farmers and public servants. But the crazy tariffs and sackings will not go unpunished. It is still ' the economy stupid'.

Let's hope the key issue of 2028 election is 'the economy stupid' and not 'how does America feel about being Putin's lackey?'.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/03/2025 10:25

I have no buyers remorse because Trump is nothing to do with me. I am not important enough to influence him and I cannot vote in his country.

Also this. The scolds will just have to direct their scolding in a more appropriate direction.

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 01/03/2025 10:29

Mittens67 · 28/02/2025 10:43

I have read many threads both before and after the US election where posters are so pleased that Trump does not support the trans agenda. Some also saying that this was the most important issue which would and did influence their vote in the UK election.
Do you still feel the same now? Trump has shown his contempt for women throughout his life and career. Now he has bullied Romania into lifting the travel ban on the Tates and flown them into Florida ready to abuse more women and radicalise a new generation of misogynists and rapists.
Any buyer’s remorse?

MN is mostly a UK site, so there won't be many 'buyers'. I find it very odd that people are betated for being pleased when a foreign but internationally powerful politician they dislike, did not vote for, and cannot vote against, does at least one thing they agree with.

Helleofabore · 01/03/2025 10:29

Abhannmor · 01/03/2025 10:17

Interestingly, Trump is making the same mistake as the Democrats. He won on inflation and cost of living but he does not seem to understand this. Instead he thinks the culture wars mean the voters will give him a free pass for all the mayhem he is causing farmers and public servants. But the crazy tariffs and sackings will not go unpunished. It is still ' the economy stupid'.

I think it will be rather rocky term.

ArabellaScott · 01/03/2025 12:04

MarsScarlet · 01/03/2025 10:14

@ArabellaScott

So what do you blame Trump's election on?

That's a whole other thread, at the very least! 😄

Can you give a brief precis?

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 01/03/2025 12:20

Merrymouse · 01/03/2025 10:19

I acknowledge the optics of blaming a woman... but Liz Truss definitely contributed towards Starmer's win.

If a woman is to blame then blame her, you won’t find much disagreement about Truss. She’s an idiot.

Igmum · 01/03/2025 12:38

Beowulfa · 28/02/2025 10:48

I confirm that I still know that mammals cannot change sex, that sex-based rights are important, that medicine should be evidence-based and laws should be reality-based.

I think the "buyer's remorse" question should be directed at the Democrats who guzzled down gender-woo Koolaid and thought that giving Dylan Mulvaney a prize for cosplaying was a vote-winner.

First reply nails it

PaterPower · 01/03/2025 12:46

The Democratic Party doesn’t help itself when it does things like ‘balance’ its co-chairs by ensuring a non-binary chair is voted in.

Few in the Party seem to have actually absorbed the lessons from Trump’s victory and seem to be assuming that business as usual (for them) will see them win in 4 years time.

Look how well that served Hilary Clinton. Or Kamala Harris (who lost largely / purely due to misogyny, according to their view).

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 01/03/2025 13:09

Theeyeballsinthesky · 28/02/2025 11:26

Oh joy we haven’t had a thread scolding women on a Uk website about trumps victory that we had no influence over because you know we can’t vote in America for at least half an hour 🙄

This

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 01/03/2025 13:16

And i hate the myth that seems to have grown with some posters that FWR is full of posters that love and adore trump and everything he says

oh wait i don't mean myth, i mean fucking lie

IllustratedDictionaryOfTheDoldrums · 01/03/2025 13:38

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 01/03/2025 13:16

And i hate the myth that seems to have grown with some posters that FWR is full of posters that love and adore trump and everything he says

oh wait i don't mean myth, i mean fucking lie

Quite! Of course, if they didn't engage in endless mudslinging, then they might actually (horror) have to come up with a reasonable counterpoint to our arguments and we all know they don't have any.

JazzyJelly · 01/03/2025 13:43

I think they did lose (at least in part) due to misogyny, @PaterPower. It would help if they challenged the way it has run rampant within the Democrats, as a start.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/03/2025 13:44

Can you give a brief precis?

ISTR this poster is on the other side of the world, so they are probably not going to answer until later.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/03/2025 13:45

Quite! Of course, if they didn't engage in endless mudslinging, then they might actually (horror) have to come up with a reasonable counterpoint to our arguments and we all know they don't have any.

Precisely.

WillIEverBeOk · 01/03/2025 15:07

MarsScarlet · 01/03/2025 09:38

@Helleofabore

It is remarkable to be told that the discussion of the failures of the party is equivalent to an abuser’s actions.

Of course, no one is saying that all Democrats support gender identity being prioritised above sex when sex matters. But it is pointing out that the current policies created by the Biden and Harris leadership teams had significant issues and no discussion was allowed to be had.

It is remarkable how you manage to twist the meaning of words into something else. I was commenting on the similarity of the frequent (so frequent now it's almost a trope) remark of "It's the Democrats' fault Trump was elected" and the words and abuser might use "You made me do this".

This doesn't mean discussion can't be had about the what the Democratic Party can do better. I am talking about how blame is being assigned somehow wholesale, and social media is being used to do it with this type of language.

It is remarkable how you manage to twist the meaning of words into something else.

Now that, is truly ironic. The cognitive dissonance is amazing. In fact, it would be part of a comedian's act if it weren't so serious. That you said that with a straight face, is absolutely extraordinary.

TempestTost · 01/03/2025 21:29

Abhannmor · 01/03/2025 10:17

Interestingly, Trump is making the same mistake as the Democrats. He won on inflation and cost of living but he does not seem to understand this. Instead he thinks the culture wars mean the voters will give him a free pass for all the mayhem he is causing farmers and public servants. But the crazy tariffs and sackings will not go unpunished. It is still ' the economy stupid'.

Maybe, although I am seeing more support for some of these things than you might expect.

In my experience, a lot of Americans have a very different attitude to some things that people in the UK, but not always for the reasons you'd think. For example, the maternity leave thing - quite a few think this should be available, but paid for by higher salaries, or they have a tendency to want to give people money to invest themselves rather than a pension as such.

With the public service, there are a lot of people who are not in the public service who aren't that sympathetic to the idea that you should have a job for life just because. And they may think that the farming sector isn't really helped in the end by the state interfering to create artificiality.

But mainly, many are as deeply cynical about the public service and it's competence and honesty as they are about political figures. And they think that the US continuing to bankroll the world just creates dependency on both sides.

It's a very different way of looking at it but it's not nutty as such.