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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Daily Echo: Hampshire woman appears in court charged with raping girl

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frazzled1 · 13/02/2025 11:22

https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/24930914.woman-accused-sex-assault-children-appears-court/

The Mail reporting is clearer...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14392643/Transgender-woman-court-rape-girl-sexually-assault-boy.html

Transgender woman Maddison Wilson, 37, is accused of abusing the young girl 'with your penis' in 2011, according to the charge sheet.

Wilson is also accused of sexually assaulting a boy under the age of 13 around six years later.

The alleged sex offender spoke only to confirm their preferred pronouns of 'she/her' in the dock at Southampton Magistrates’ Court yesterday.

Transgender woman appears in court accused of raping a girl under 13

Maddison Wilson, 37, who identifies as a woman and lives in Portsmouth, is accused of attacking the young girl 'with your penis', according to the charge sheet.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14392643/Transgender-woman-court-rape-girl-sexually-assault-boy.html

OP posts:
MissScarletInTheBallroom · 13/02/2025 19:26

TheCatsTongue · 13/02/2025 19:22

Is that the case? Or is it technically only rape can be carried out with a penis, and if a woman has a penis...

Is the law written in such a way that it doesn't explicitly say that only a male (as it could be a boy under 18) can rape and that if someone self-identifies as female it is possible that a female with a penis can rape?

Females don't have penises, I'm simply questioning the definition of the law.

And thinking further I don't think the law says that only males can rape, otherwise these men would be using the self-ID route to downgrade their rape charge to sexual assault.

No, the law says something like, Person A commits the offence of rape if he penetrates Person B with his penis and Person B does not consent and Person A does not reasonably believe that Person B consents.

It doesn't say that Person A has to be a man, although back in 2003 I don't think anyone believed in the womanly penis.

Chersfrozenface · 13/02/2025 19:47

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 13/02/2025 19:26

No, the law says something like, Person A commits the offence of rape if he penetrates Person B with his penis and Person B does not consent and Person A does not reasonably believe that Person B consents.

It doesn't say that Person A has to be a man, although back in 2003 I don't think anyone believed in the womanly penis.

It does indeed say "if he penetrates' and "with his penis".

I can't think why a smart lawyer doesn't appeal a guilty verdict if the court uses "she" and "her penis" throughout.

That's not the wording of the law so how could the defendant have broken it?

UltraLiteLife · 13/02/2025 20:48

A traumatised child is at the heart of this.

It's not something for linguistic games nor thought experiments no matter who is doing it with what grim realisation, despair, or intent.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 13/02/2025 20:56

Chersfrozenface · 13/02/2025 19:47

It does indeed say "if he penetrates' and "with his penis".

I can't think why a smart lawyer doesn't appeal a guilty verdict if the court uses "she" and "her penis" throughout.

That's not the wording of the law so how could the defendant have broken it?

Oh I would love to see an appeal on that basis.

Can't think of anything better to peak the masses.

FranticFrankie · 13/02/2025 21:07

I see no woman
Have searched and still nope

ErrolTheDragon · 13/02/2025 23:07

The daily echo has now changed its headline to 'trans woman'. I imagine it had complaints - the original wasn't compliant with the first clause of the IPSO code relating to accuracy and not publishing misleading headlines.

Undrugged · 13/02/2025 23:14

In the mail article, strangely appears to have three legs in the accompanying picture.

nocoolnamesleft · 13/02/2025 23:33

UltraLiteLife · 13/02/2025 20:48

A traumatised child is at the heart of this.

It's not something for linguistic games nor thought experiments no matter who is doing it with what grim realisation, despair, or intent.

Based on the media account, that would be two traumatised children.

Chersfrozenface · 14/02/2025 08:01

The Mail has its doubts, too. Its earlier headline read "Woman, 25, snared by police while trying to meet boy for sex is jailed".

And the current story, now headlined "Paedophile, 25, who was snared by police while trying to meet up with a young boy for sex is jailed', uses no pronouns at all.

That is despite Avon and Somerset Police using 'she/her' in its media release.
https://www.avonandsomerset.police.uk/news/2025/02/north-somerset-sex-offender-jailed/

SmudgeHughes · 14/02/2025 08:44

ErrolTheDragon · 13/02/2025 11:54

Bloody hell.

I hope the police have recorded this person as male.

And that’s another problem, because not all forces do record biological sex, so our crime stats are made less reliable. As are court and prison data.

SmudgeHughes · 14/02/2025 08:47

ErrolTheDragon · 13/02/2025 23:07

The daily echo has now changed its headline to 'trans woman'. I imagine it had complaints - the original wasn't compliant with the first clause of the IPSO code relating to accuracy and not publishing misleading headlines.

Media is really tying itself in knots over IPso guidance, partic after the Spectator was hauled over the coals. There seems always to be the assumption that you refer to people by their preferred pronouns. Which isn’t what IPSO says. (I’m trying to find the exact clause.)

Womanofcustard · 14/02/2025 10:20

Another example of the new Rapist Gender (thank you Nicola and Humza)

SerendipityJane · 14/02/2025 10:32

ErrolTheDragon · 13/02/2025 23:07

The daily echo has now changed its headline to 'trans woman'. I imagine it had complaints - the original wasn't compliant with the first clause of the IPSO code relating to accuracy and not publishing misleading headlines.

If such a code exists, it's rarely enforced.

ErrolTheDragon · 14/02/2025 10:40

Of course the code exists. I've linked to it on other threads. There's a specific sex and gender page but I'm referring to clause 1(i) of the main code

www.ipso.co.uk/editors-code-of-practice/

i) The Press must take care not to publish inaccurate, misleading or distorted information or images, including headlines not supported by the text.

For some reason newspapers seem prone to getting tangled in the weeds rather than always applying that basic sanity check.

yetanotherusernameAgain · 14/02/2025 17:48

The Telegraph also refers to the person being transgender, although doesn't say FtM or MtF.

"Despite court records referring to the paedophile using “he”, police have since referred to McCullgh as “she”."

Gift link:
https://telegraph.co.uk/gift/96fafaec477be199

EdithStourton · 14/02/2025 17:53

That poor girl.

As for the alleged rapist - SHE?
These bloody chancers can't even shave properly.
As I have said many time before, I am so fucking done with this shit.

Lovelysummerdays · 14/02/2025 18:01

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 13/02/2025 19:24

How exactly does one identify as a woman whilst using one's penis to rape one?

Possibly he was still a bloke then? It’s amazing how many men feel like a woman when they are going to
get prosecuted. Cue the defence saying suffering gender dysphoria and mental health issues due to a lack of acceptance within society. Luckily now a lady so all that is good and pure so you should most definitely acquit.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 14/02/2025 19:04

Lovelysummerdays · 14/02/2025 18:01

Possibly he was still a bloke then? It’s amazing how many men feel like a woman when they are going to
get prosecuted. Cue the defence saying suffering gender dysphoria and mental health issues due to a lack of acceptance within society. Luckily now a lady so all that is good and pure so you should most definitely acquit.

He is still a bloke now. Once a bloke, always a bloke.

maudelovesharold · 14/02/2025 19:10

BeachRide · 13/02/2025 11:40

Pink hairband, though?

Oh, no….I don’t have one 😱

TwistedWonder · 14/02/2025 19:25

Why the fuck does our legal system allow these sexual abusers state their preferred pronouns and now down to not offending the piece of shit?

No one gives a shiny shit how they prefer to be addressed - it’s a bloke. A vile disgusting child rapist bloke and no one should be pandering to these scum bags.

monsterfish · 14/02/2025 19:28

as a politician once said, a woman cannot be a rapist. Rape a child & you lose your rights to gender choice.

yetanotherusernameAgain · 14/02/2025 21:09

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 13/02/2025 19:24

How exactly does one identify as a woman whilst using one's penis to rape one?

Cos it's a female penis, obviously. And a lesbian sexual assault.

Wouldn't be the first time:

transcrimeuk.com/2017/10/30/karen-lawson/

IwantToRetire · 24/02/2025 00:34

Alleged Portsmouth paedophile who identifies as woman set for court over rape of girl
https://www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/crime/alleged-portsmouth-paedophile-trans-woman-5003421

Just posting to show another version of how they cant just report the truth.

ie rather than actually say man, says paedophile.

CorruptedCauldron · 24/02/2025 09:42

Time to stop fudging the truth. It’s a man who identifies as a woman. His gender identity doesn’t make him any less of a man, because he was born male and will die male. That’s biology for you.

I believe that using she/her pronouns for this man is grotesquely offensive, not just to his alleged victims, but to anyone who has ever been raped. It twists the knife because it is gaslighting.

A man accused of using HIS penis to commit rape may well identify as a woman and prefer she/her pronouns but that doesn’t mean he has to be referred to in that way.

In court reporting, if you’re a defendant, you get called by your surname. No Mr or Mrs courtesy titles. Why should any man get called wrong-sex pronouns as a courtesy in a case where his sex is a significant factor in his alleged crimes?

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