NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #10

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and is expected to continue for 2 weeks. The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton started giving evidence on Thursday 6 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely can be obtained by sending an email request to [email protected] headed Public Access Request (Peggie v Fife Health Board) 4104864/2024 and requesting access.

The hearing is being live tweeted by https://x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.is/xkSxy.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: https://nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Thread 1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5186317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse
Thread 2: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5267591-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-thread-2
Thread 3: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268347-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-3
Thread 4: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268942-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-4
Thread 5: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269149-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-5
Thread 6: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269635-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-6
Thread 7: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5270365-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-7
Thread 8: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5271511-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-8
Thread 9: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5271596-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-9

There’s no way this will conclude on time.

Earlier start tomorrow, after 9.30am.

No that'll be for the other witnesses.

Now you are making me think of the sheer breathtaking dogmatism, lack of self-insight and eventual red-faced rage of Candice-Marie's husband Keith. I wonder why he comes so readily to mind today?

Out of curiosity because both the respondents are joint- does R1 Fife have to agree with everything that R2 DU has said today about him being a biological female?

Will we get an answer to the intimate exam question?

If they started on time, we probably wouldn't be all that behind.

Half past nine? So 10:30 start then :)

Starting at 930 tomorrow. So we may actually start at 10!

Upton will be late, as per.

This. If the judge expresses anything that could be interpreted as an opinion at this stage it could lead to a successful appeal. He may well think that DU is stark staring bonkers, or that he is lying through his teeth, but he absolutely mustn't do anything that even hints at that.

Not if JR and DrU keep wasting time...

I feel for his parents, they must be wondering where on earth they went wrong

And staying later tomorrow, till half 4 or 5.

still going on 0930 start, NC pressing for 5 finish or 1730 to get finished, all over now

Losing the will to live here.

Tomorrow starting at 9:30am. Lunch at 12:30pm for 1 hour. Finishing at 4:30pm/5pm.

And we are done!

Throwing this in here: on a previous thread, there was speculation that Upton's use of 'sat' to discuss SP's position was some kind of Scottish usage. It really isn't.

I only ever hear English people or people with English parents using that expression and they use it to mean "sitting". Upton was contradicting himself.

Break for today, should start at 9.30am tomorrow.

That's fine, diary completely clear tomorrow!

Long day tomorrow. And I'm here for it!
What a crazy day today has been...

There is no consistency in, one one hand, being able to differentiate between categories such as 'Cis' and 'Transwoman' ( as he does) - but then claiming that there is no differentiation between them, for a start.

You cannot claim a trans status whilst also claiming the biological sex of your preference. You wouldn't be trans if you were already female. 'Trans' differentiates you from the start.

He is consistent in being illogical though. What NC needs to demonstrate is thgat he knows and understands full well why SP felt the way she did - and that is because he is male/trans. NC also needs to demonstrate that rather than SP being the bully - it is he who was seeking to control and dominate the whole situation.

Aah well, that's another day the housework won't get done

Their wedding certificate on Scotland's People specifies that they're male and female.

I'm finding this whole thing infuriating. Judge, as nice as he is, needs to find a backbone and stop the waffling.