NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #4

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 January 2025 and is expected to continue for 2 weeks.

Access to view the hearing remotely can be obtained by sending an email request to [email protected] headed Public Access Request (Peggie v Fife Health Board) 4104864/2024 and requesting access.

Thread 1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5186317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse

Thread 2: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5267591-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-thread-2

Thread 3: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268347-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-3

The hearing is being live tweeted by https://x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.is/xkSxy.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: https://nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

"What support I might need. Referral to occupational health, speak to my GP, attend private counselling org via GP to process what had happened to me"

And then he consulted the BMA about the draft of his complaint.

Thanks to everyone updating, I do appreciate it.

Hate incident? Another doctor encouraged him to report it as a hate incident? OK, I'm done

Contacted BMA for advice.

I suppose NC can't ask about a GRC directly, but could imply via timelines that there wasn't one without referring directly to him?

It might have been his first complaint, but he seems to have arrived well versed in what to do before and after you raise one.

He certainly knows how to work the system.

I would hazard a guess that any consultant he came into contact with is well aware that they would come into his firing line for complaints if they didn't comply. Junior doctors move on frequently so they will only have to put up with him for a few weeks or months before he's on a different ward or health board. He also sounds very manipulative. Dealing with tricky juniors is a nightmare, regardless of the scenario, and this is an absolute humdinger. None of that excuses their treatment of nursing staff but it's what happens in real life.

I think it's more annoying that this isn't how they treat female doctors. Plenty of women have been on here saying they needed help for depression, or physical health and they were ignored. But special DrU gets straight to OH, and helps writing up complaints etc.

Sorry to hear. Been through similar. The contrast is rather stark.

Management should have sent him on some resilience training! Not colluded with his delusions and facilitated this witch hunt of a hard working nurse.

Indeed. Ironically, the commoner (though generally unrecorded) complaint is of nurses being unhelpful and uncooperative with doctors because the doctors are women. Perhaps if Dr U realised this he might have felt reassured in his identity.

I could never be a lawyer. I'm always impressed by how calm NC stays whereas I'd want to just be rolling my eyes and sighing a lot at all the bollocks DrU is spouting

Did he then say he was then working in obstetrics?

Yes, it seems actual women are fair game to be abused by everyone. With the complicity and enabling of management. It is a hate crime for the women to assert their own rights to not be subject to such abusive behaviour.

Diddums. He was afraid the complainant may bring an ET and it made him sad.

He was 100% looking for a fight and if it hadn't been SP he'd have kept going until someone said No. I wonder how many others he kept notes on in the anticipation that he could make a complaint

Missed that. I have absolutely no issue whatsoever with men working in obstetrics. But I do expect them to know what a woman is.

Anaesthetics

Didn't want to be subject to this level of political, media interest. Ha!

This is on the 29th December. The one time of year when most people are away/on holiday/with their families/short staffed/doing short hours. But they have to drop everything so he doesn't feel sad.

He's the one who made it personal by picking on her

'it was more about an opposition to me, and my identity, and my presence'

Wobbly voice now. Due to being asked how he felt about being named as a respondent.

I think it’s very clear she names him because he was harassing her.