I think males should be banned from female sport and anyone should be allowed to enter the male / open category. The US President has just signed an executive order saying this.

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Females need their own sports for reasons of fairness, competitiveness and safety. I am glad that orders like this make it easier to talk about these issues without being called a biggot.

Everyone deserves fair opportunities, women and girls are under represented in sport, this can only help that get a little better.

Transgender sports people also clearly deserve opportunities to participate in sport and so trans women and men should be allowed to enter male / open categories or have their own categories if needed.

https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-transgender-athletes-3606411fc12efffec95a893351624e1b

No, I don't like or agree with those things

So what are you going to do to stop it then? You would prefer it to continue obviously.

No, you can't be sure a Democrat won't do it, actually.

This is laughable. It was during 12 years of Obama and Biden than policies enabling men in women’s sport took hold. Who’s the saviour then?

It's populist because Trump et al. recognised an opportunity to gain a sector of voters and took it. He and his party don't support women - they want women to support them.

So what if it’s “populist”? A popular decision made supported by the majority the population and women and girls are protected. What political mechanism do you propose to correct this problem?

I will not apologise for not supporting anything that this moral and ethical vacuum does. Every passing day confirms this position.

Which is fine, but you have to then admit you’d tolerate women and girls continuing to suffer physical and emotional harm, including sexual assault, because you can’t bring yourself to agree with a few decisions.

Oh, and your heroine Nancy Mace?

I support Mace in having single sex spaces in her workplace. I don’t support her views on Gaza. Why do you find it so hard to comprehend that people can situate themselves like that?

Yeah let's just go back to the days when everything was won by young able bodied males. 🙄

The facts disagree with you. Take a look at https://boysvswomen.com/#/

Among other things, it shows the world records of boys in various athletic events versus the world records of women in the same events. In most of them, the women's world record is beaten by 14 or 15 year old boys.

https://boysvswomen.com/#/world-record

And what about athletes with disabilities? Are you going to throw away their categories as well? What about age categories - should anyone, man or woman, be allowed to enter the junior events? And weight categories in boxing, judo etc - do away with those too?

The various categories in sport were created to give people other than young able-bodied males the chance to have meaningful sporting opportunities.

Carry on chanting your pathetic little mantra. Its nonsense like this that put Trump in the White House. No one is buying it any more.

We're not "falling for it". Most of us know what he is, and why he's doing this.

It doesn't make it wrong, just because it was done by him.

Legend.

And another one.
I don't disagree with keeping TW out of female sports, but doing it as one very small part of a very wide ranging set of anti DEI Executive orders is dangerous.

abcnews.go.com/US/west-point-disbands-student-clubs-related-gender-race/story?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=dhfacebook&utm_content=app.dashsocial.com/abcnews/library/media/498706367&id=118493041&fbclid=IwY2xjawIRSU9leHRuA2FlbQIxMAABHWTNUQWmu-EMj5bE3BoMPauyORHXyWJShJi6GEp4Ul4OaaBHE7ypZHg58Q_aem_LPMQ1D2AbEGoUC5pxkonxA

What men do bothers me when it harms women, eg invading spaces where women are meant to be allowed privacy. Men pretending to be women are dangerous to women.

@FindusMakesPancakes only a child hates everything somebody does, even the things they agree with, because they don’t like the person.

I doubt you will find many who either believe that he is doing this for any reason other than that he is doing this for votes.

Most people on this thread understand he is abhorrent and this is the umteenth thread on his EOs.

The thing is two things can been true at the same time. He can be an abhorrent individual. He can sign a n executive order that someone on his team put together that is worthy of support.

Like all governments, actions will be taken during the time of serving as a government that reasonable people will be able to support while not supporting a huge slew of other actions. I find it tribal to declare that an action by a government that is worthy of support should be not supported because of who signed it off or who voted for it.

I keep asking the question, are there any successful lobby groups that don’t lobby to the current sitting government to get their objectives achieved if that group opposes the majority of that government’s other policies? Do those belonging to the lobby group get accused of being fools if their years of campaigning have been finally successful because the government that made some of the changes asked for has other abhorrent policies? Do those members of the lobby group get told that they now align with that government based on some of their work being adopted by a government they don’t support on more than one or a few decisions?

It is an entrenched polarised view that a democratically elected government can never produce work that is worthy of support, even if you generally don’t support anything else the government does, surely?

Yes, I doubt there are many posters on here who haven't noticed that men are often selective about the aspects of women's rights they support. It's hardly an impressive insight to point out that Trump is one of them. We'd be waiting a long while for rights if they could only be granted by people who were ideologically perfect, and in a US context clearly neither of the major parties are willing to bat for us on every important issue.

The left want to prioritise queer white men by removing women only spaces, medicalising children and having drag queens expose themselves in the white house.

If the left cared about women and children they wouldn't have let that happen.

The only correct misogyny is left wing misogyny?

Watching Trump signing this is a mind fuck, that's for sure, but then so was reading Kara Dansky's and Abigail Shrier's accounts of how 'good guys' like Obama and Biden helped to set this train wreck of women's and girls' rights in motion. Still at least my brain isn't so addled that I can't be happy for women and girls who want to play sport. I don't think they should have to wait until the right kind of person comes along to sort it out.

No they are not, they are males with male genitals and post-pubertal male physical sporting advantage @littledotheyknow .

Here is a poll done by a media outlet in the USA about women’s sports. The link to Leor Sapir’s post is

https://x.com/leorsapir/status/1887251272128139299?s=46

Tweet says :

“President Trump has signed an executive order limiting female sports to women and girls.

Some in the media will write that he "banned transgender people from sports."

He did no such thing. Disingenuous claims like these no longer resonate with the American people.

The latest NYT poll finds that the policy reflected in Trump's executive order is supported by

* 67% of Democrat or Democrat-leaning
* 94% of Republican or Republican-leaning
* 64% of Independents
* 79% of all Americans

It's hard to find any other issue in contemporary politics that has that such wide bipartisan support.

Trump may have just signed one of the most popular executive orders of the 21st century.”

The poll data is

https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/documenttools/a66cc1cd29a9ea2c/41386e22-full.pdf

and page 18 is the relevant one to sport.

Should nearly 70% of those Democratic Party supporters feel shame at any positive feeling about this EO?

Or can we say that this and the other EO s that have been signed to signify the changes to support the very campaigns that women have worked for are worthwhile supporting without this repetitive shaming that has been a constant on these threads about the EO?

Its not a 'hollow victory' if you are a female competitor. Girls/women's sport are important to a lot of people. Over 5000 transwomen victors, 27 world records, 109 U.S. records, $1.6 million in prize money. Just in the last few yrs. https://hecheated.org/totals_results_2020s

And we are not 'idiots' for wanting fairness for women and girls who make so many sacrifices to train from sacrificing time with schoolfriends, to family, to free time, blood sweat and tears. Years. Then to have that stolen by a male, and all that time wasted for nothing. You sound very shallow and narrow-minded. There is far, far, far, FAR more to womens rights than just the state issue of abortion. We're all more than sick and tired people/Democrats holding that as a carrot out to women for their vote, when Democrats never once tried to codify it into law. Why would they? Then they'd no longer have that as a gambling chip.
And, btw, I say this as a labour member and voter who is pissed off with the left throwing womens rights away to pander to a misogynistic and dangerous Mens Rights movement.

"He's only doing it for votes".

That is a politician, but the main difference is that he is actually doing what he said he would do.

How many politicians say something for votes and never do it? Broken promises.

People voted for him to ban males in female sports. He has now signed off on that policy within 3 weeks.

Many self described left wing people I know support the TWAW nonsense precisely because the right wing do not. They don’t want to be seen as finding common cause with right wing fundamentalists, Christians etc

Yes, its out of pugnacious tribalist spite. I used to think only the right were so politically purist and politically tribalistic. The left are as bad, if not worse, than the right. We're now at a place where if Trump and the Republicans made a rule against animal cruelty, the left will fight against it purely out of venomous politically tribalistic spite.

Look, I don't agree with TW in women's sports, but it is a distraction. While everyone is whooping and cheering, he is busy signing away on far more sweeping changes. He created the environment that allowed the over turning of Roe v Wade and allowed states to remove those rights.

While championing the rights of elite sports women (yes, grass roots, heard it before), the rights of every woman are quietly being destroyed. There are over 160 million women and girls in the US. The totality of women's rights is far more concerning than sport for me.

Politician trying to win votes shocker. Whatever next!

Fwiw I get the impression Trump doesn't actually like males in women's sports anyway. He is clearly not a TWAW believer. But the outcome is exactly the same regardless. He correctly identified a popular policy and has had the sense to quickly implement it, because he's a politician who has been electorally successful. It's what they do.

agree. Women deserve fair sport that is inclusive for women.

Men can compete in the men's sport categories, or Open if that's what they want to call it. I don't see how it affects men's sport at all.

If a woman is good enough to compete with men and thinks the Open category is a better opportunity (maybe prize money or media exposure or facilities are better) then fair play to her. No issue with that.

Not sure what this has to do with the post, really. Yes, she’s a woman but she wasn’t fired because she was a woman (it appears to be because she spent too much time focusing on DEI policy and not enough time reducing drugs and illegal immigrants from crossing the border, ie her job, which she was deemed to have failed in the performance thereof?). If you check sources, 75% of the people he/his administration have fired are men.

For the record, I do think the way this was handled is despicable, but I find it difficult to believe she was singled out for this treatment because she was a woman. I suspect there are equivalent stories of male employees who have been treated this badly upon being fired too, but they haven’t garnered the air time in the media.

"..the rights of every woman are quietly being destroyed"

That sounds very concerning. If we knew which rights specifically and exactly how they are being destroyed, we would be in a better position to criticise and campaign.

Tell me you don't know anything about the enormous INSURMOUNTABLE advantage post-pubertal males have without telling me. Female sports were created PRECISELY BECAUSE no woman could ever win anything without it. That was the only reason female sports were created. Even Serena Williams admitted she'd lose against the lowest ranking male tennis player.

You may as well say do away with the paralympics while you're at it, @Dotjones .