I think males should be banned from female sport and anyone should be allowed to enter the male / open category. The US President has just signed an executive order saying this.

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Females need their own sports for reasons of fairness, competitiveness and safety. I am glad that orders like this make it easier to talk about these issues without being called a biggot.

Everyone deserves fair opportunities, women and girls are under represented in sport, this can only help that get a little better.

Transgender sports people also clearly deserve opportunities to participate in sport and so trans women and men should be allowed to enter male / open categories or have their own categories if needed.

https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-transgender-athletes-3606411fc12efffec95a893351624e1b

And wouldn’t it be wonderful that we could all be celebrating the Democratic Party leader signing off these EOs? But that was never going to happen under a Harris government.

By the way, did you express horror when Biden signed off EOs that caused harm to the collective rights for female people? What about Biden’s appointing Levine and discovering the extent of Levine’s involvement in changes to WPATH?

Or were those just considered small blips and to be deflected away from to say ‘look at all the great things being done’?

Womens rights is not 'twwannnnspobia', @dovetail22uk . But your femphobia and misogynistic bigotry is strong.

This is about MALE and FEMALE. Not 'trans' people.

You're asking us, including me, a rape survivor, why it bothers us that a male with his penis and testicles intact are in a woman and girls changeroom or battered womens shelter or facility.

You're asking us why it bothers us that a post-pubertal male with ENORMOUS INSURMOUNTABLE post-pubertal advantage, takes all the medals and rankings of a girl who sacrificed everything.

You should be ashamed of yourself, @dovetail22uk . Have a word with yourself. Why do you HATE females and our hard won struggles so much that you are a Mens Rights Activist? Why? What happened to you to cause you to have to so much hate in your heart for the female sex class? Why?

And the weight categories in boxing. After all, sport is a meritocracy and there are loads of excellent featherweight!

Another day, another "preventing trans women from... will make abortion illegal" argument.

Why does this argument that abortion is dependent on trans rights keep persisting?

deliberate conflation.

If the Democrats had codified Roe v Wade into law decades ago instead of doing nothing about it so they could use it as the carrot on a stick WEAPON to win elections, we wouldn't be in this situation. Even Ruth Bader Ginsberg (sp?) said Democrats should codify it.

But they just... never, er, got around to it. And we all know why. They needed that carrot. The whole entire EXISTENCE of the Democrats for the last 40-odd years has been about abortion. Nothing....else. Yet, they did not one fucking thing to codify it into law. Not...one...fucking....thing. In reality, when it comes to abortions rights, the Democrats have been as useful as an ashtray on a motorbike. They needed abortion to always hang legally in the balance, to be elected. That makes them more evil than Trump is, imo.

Male categories also need to have integrity. Even at the same weight, for example, a man competing against a woman in martial arts is going to have superior capability; and also she could be injured.

There is also the issue of men not playing to their peak capacity for fear of harming the women taking part.

There could be an open category in the sports in which physical contact is not a thing, as well as the male and female categories.

The fact you think protecting the basic human rights of females - the traditionally (and still) oppressed sex class - instead of admitting this is about protecting female rights from MALES, shows you know pro-trans is anti-women and persecuting females. Enjoy persecuting females and being on your knees for the male sex class. I'm sure men won't laugh at you or anything for being a useful tool to their Mens Rights Movement. Kidding. From experience of seeing inside the incel/MRA movement? They laugh at people like you (when they talk about trans issue) and how easy you are to manipulate and do their bidding for them. You realise you're a major joke to these men. They won't reward you for being on your knees genuflecting to them.

That's true, he is not doing it out of the goodness of his heart, but most of us know that. We're just grateful it's happening.

Know something? Democrats too, aren't advocating for abortion rights out of the goodness of their heart. They do it for politics, because they know it gets them votes. If they codified Roe v Wade into actual law, they would remove abortion as a voting issue for them. Which is why they didn't do it. Democrats don't advocate for abortion rights because they care or out of goodness of their hearts. Its all politics to them. As it is with Trump.

No, you can't be sure a Democrat won't do it, actually.

The Democrats have not learned from the election. They are not listening to women and steadfastly refuse to change tack on this. They are not just doubling down on trans ideology, they are tripling down , quadrupling down and septupling down. It will be at least 15 to 25 years before they wholeheartedly agree to support womens rights in sport.

We DON'T have that kind of time!! Girls are giving up sports left, right and centre. Many of them have said because their are boys on the team and they get hurt, and don't get a change. This is also about health and fitness. Do you get it yet? We DON'T HAVE THE TIME for your ideologist purism and your Democrat candidate to come forward. We don't have that bloody flippen time!

It's populist because Trump et al. recognised an opportunity to gain a sector of voters and took it. He and his party don't support women - they want women to support them.

So exactly like the Democrats playing cat and mouse with voters over abortion rights for the last 40 years then. The Democrats sadly are far more populist about womens votes than Trump is. The Democrats sadly truly don't give a flying fuck about abortion. They've proved that by not codifying it so they can keep abortion as a weapon for votes. At least Trump (as much of a lowlife pos he is) didn't dangle the carrot then snatch it away. He did what he said he'd do. Which is a damn site farken more than the Democrats ever have done with our rights. 40 farken years and Dems still haven't codified abortion. We'd be waiting 150 years before they did anything about sports. And you know it.

Can you provide any evidence of this please? As I understand it, the few women who even attempted the selection process had 'easier' criteria than the men. Which made it pointless really.

You really don't get it. It is not a distraction to the thousands and hundreds of thousands of women and girls who play sport. In fact, one could say its a health issue as girls are dropping out sport at an alarming rate. With a sedentary gamer/mobile era we live in, its even more of a priority! Probably more now than ever. And, lastly, we don't give a stuff if its a 'distraction'. We don't give fat rats crack. We care that's its happening at all.

Most people aren't brave enough to just say that they disagree with the policy (because they either believe in trans ideology or want the option open to them as failed male athletes to easily win), and so we get "I disagree because abortion", "I disagree because women's rights".

I agree with the policy regardless of what political party brings it in.

Er, you do know how politics actually works, right? It truly baffles me how adults can have such a naive view of the world as you?

He didn't really.

Roe was a weak legal decision, it was always a weak legal decision. And it was made in the first place as a political decision by a politicized SC that happened to be stacked in favour of Democrat judges.

That the Republicans decided to use the same tactic as the SC has increased its powers is not a shocker, are people really arguing it's ok for the Dems but no one else?

And is it actually wrong for a weak legal ruling to fail? If you read the ruling that overturned it, the legal argument is very careful, and frankly IMO much better argued than the original one. That is not wrong, it's how legal arguments are supposed to be made.

Neither is disagreement over abortion in itself manufactured, any more than disagreement about something like animal rights is manufactured.

Possibly the Democrats should have tried to make a legal ruling. Maybe they would not have been able to. Maybe the state is the proper level for this kind of legislation. States are not some kind of weird authoritarian entities, they are also subject to democratic processes.

Yep. My daughter, who's in year 7 at school, hates all sports for various reasons and quite likes the fact that year 7 PE lessons at her school are mixed sex because she says that (especially in football etc) as a result of the mixed sex policy nearly all the girls just mess around/chat/kick their heels on the sidelines whilst most of the boys and a couple of very the most athletic girls battle it out... so there's no pressure on her at all to participate. This must be very common. Making it mixed is basically telling [say] 13 of 15 girls in a class not to bother. I'm going to have to get her to start going to the gym or something to compensate.

I was like your DD but I was at a girls school. I still left the sporty girls to battle it out. The PE teacher hated me.

I'm also for giving men their own category and having a separate open group. Whenever I see informal mixed games the men tend to hold back from fear of injuring the women.

We can all have our own stuff.

@WillIEverBeOk

Know something? Democrats too, aren't advocating for abortion rights out of the goodness of their heart. They do it for politics, because they know it gets them votes. If they codified Roe v Wade into actual law, they would remove abortion as a voting issue for them. Which is why they didn't do it. Democrats don't advocate for abortion rights because they care or out of goodness of their hearts. Its all politics to them. As it is with Trump.

There have been attempts to codify Roe into law, but they didn't pass - they simply did not receive support from Republicans. I find your framing of the Democrats being unsupportive of abortion rights here despicable, when we know Republicans are the party that bar women and girls from from reproductive care.

@Arraminta

Can you provide any evidence of this please? As I understand it, the few women who even attempted the selection process had 'easier' criteria than the men. Which made it pointless really.

It's really easy to find on Google. The criteria isn't relaxed, either.

@Arraminta

Er, you do know how politics actually works, right? It truly baffles me how adults can have such a naive view of the world as you?

Sure I do. I even have a degree in politics. However, I'm not talking about campaign strategy, but the overarching manner in which he operates. He is a demagogue that appeals to the prejudices that some of us hold and utilises them.

There have been attempts to codify Roe into law, but they didn't pass...

Citations, please.

I'm sure that every bill which is sponsored by a representative and at least starts on the process of being studied by a committee, voted on, debated or amended and then going on to the Senate is recorded.

Records of any and all attempts to codify Roe into law would be very useful.

Just did a google on Royal Marines and SAS, only 2 women have passed into either corps since admission was open to women. The criteria for entry is the same, acc to the Royal Marines page because, they claim, it is a ‘gender-free training programme’.

Not sure how I feel about that - if you don’t have training goals/criteria that recognise the difference in women’s physiques then it is rigged and women are effectively largely excluded? However, if you lower the bar, then do we have RMs and SAS officers of a lower ability?

There were at least 3 election terms over the last 40 years that the Democrats had majority control of both the Senate and Congress. They didn't attempt it during that time.

Yes, Republicans (on the whole) are against abortion, but Democrats have not done anything about the issue and won't because they need the abortion issue to keep being a 'live' issue to win votes. If you don't understand this you are truly politically naive.