I think males should be banned from female sport and anyone should be allowed to enter the male / open category. The US President has just signed an executive order saying this.

[SernieBanders]

Females need their own sports for reasons of fairness, competitiveness and safety. I am glad that orders like this make it easier to talk about these issues without being called a biggot.

Everyone deserves fair opportunities, women and girls are under represented in sport, this can only help that get a little better.

Transgender sports people also clearly deserve opportunities to participate in sport and so trans women and men should be allowed to enter male / open categories or have their own categories if needed.

https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-transgender-athletes-3606411fc12efffec95a893351624e1b

Be accused of transphobia, or support men punching women in the face in the name of sport?

It’s amazing to me that some people still choose the latter option.

Here is the actual EO:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/02/keeping-men-out-of-womens-sports/

This is the wording of the executive order

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/02/keeping-men-out-of-womens-sports/

testosterone reduction? No dice.

no specific mention of DSDs but given the previous EO stating what was male and female, that’s covered.

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, and to protect opportunities for women and girls to compete in safe and fair sports, it is hereby ordered:
Section 1. Policy and Purpose. In recent years, many educational institutions and athletic associations have allowed men to compete in women’s sports. This is demeaning, unfair, and dangerous to women and girls, and denies women and girls the equal opportunity to participate and excel in competitive sports.
Moreover, under Title IX of the Education Amendments Act of 1972 (Title IX), educational institutions receiving Federal funds cannot deny women an equal opportunity to participate in sports. As some Federal courts have recognized, “ignoring fundamental biological truths between the two sexes deprives women and girls of meaningful access to educational facilities.” Tennessee v. Cardona, 24-cv-00072 at 73 (E.D. Ky. 2024). See also Kansas v. U.S. Dept. of Education, 24-cv-04041 at 23 (D. Kan. 2024) (highlighting “Congress’ goals of protecting biological women in education”).
Therefore, it is the policy of the United States to rescind all funds from educational programs that deprive women and girls of fair athletic opportunities, which results in the endangerment, humiliation, and silencing of women and girls and deprives them of privacy. It shall also be the policy of the United States to oppose male competitive participation in women’s sports more broadly, as a matter of safety, fairness, dignity, and truth.
Sec. 2. Definitions. The definitions in Executive Order 14168 of January 20, 2025 (Defending Women from Gender Ideology Extremism and Restoring Biological Truth to the Federal Government), shall apply to this order.
Sec.3. Preserving Women’s Sports in Education. (a) In furtherance of the purposes of Title IX, the Secretary of Education shall promptly:
(i) in coordination with the Attorney General, continue to comply with the vacatur of the rule entitled “Nondiscrimination on the Basis of Sex in Education Programs or Activities Receiving Federal Financial Assistance” of April 29, 2024, 89 FR 33474, see Tennessee v. Cardona, 24-cv-00072 at 13-15 (E.D. Ky. 2025), and take other appropriate action to ensure this regulation does not have effect;
(ii) take all appropriate action to affirmatively protect all-female athletic opportunities and all-female locker rooms and thereby provide the equal opportunity guaranteed by Title IX of the Education Amendments Act of 1972, including enforcement actions described in subsection (iii); to bring regulations and policy guidance into line with the Congress’ existing demand for “equal athletic opportunity for members of both sexes” by clearly specifying and clarifying that women’s sports are reserved for women; and the resolution of pending litigation consistent with this policy; and
(iii) prioritize Title IX enforcement actions against educational institutions (including athletic associations composed of or governed by such institutions) that deny female students an equal opportunity to participate in sports and athletic events by requiring them, in the women’s category, to compete with or against or to appear unclothed before males.
(b) All executive departments and agencies (agencies) shall review grants to educational programs and, where appropriate, rescind funding to programs that fail to comply with the policy established in this order.
(c) The Department of Justice shall provide all necessary resources, in accordance with law, to relevant agencies to ensure expeditious enforcement of the policy established in this order.
Sec. 4. Preserving Fairness and Safety in Women’s Sports. Many sport-specific governing bodies have no official position or requirements regarding trans-identifying athletes. Others allow men to compete in women’s categories if these men reduce the testosterone in their bodies below certain levels or provide documentation of “sincerely held” gender identity. These policies are unfair to female athletes and do not protect female safety. To address these concerns, it is hereby ordered:
(a) The Assistant to the President for Domestic Policy shall, within 60 days of the date of this order:
(i) convene representatives of major athletic organizations and governing bodies, and female athletes harmed by such policies, to promote policies that are fair and safe, in the best interests of female athletes, and consistent with the requirements of Title IX, as applicable; and
(ii) convene State Attorneys General to identify best practices in defining and enforcing equal opportunities for women to participate in sports and educate them about stories of women and girls who have been harmed by male participation in women’s sports.
(b) The Secretary of State, including through the Bureau of Educational and Cultural Affairs’ Sports Diplomacy Division and the Representative of the United States of America to the United Nations, shall:
(i) rescind support for and participation in people-to-people sports exchanges or other sports programs within which the relevant female sports category is based on identity and not sex; and
(ii) promote, including at the United Nations, international rules and norms governing sports competition to protect a sex-based female sports category, and, at the discretion of the Secretary of State, convene international athletic organizations and governing bodies, and female athletes harmed by policies that allow male participation in women’s sports, to promote sporting policies that are fair, safe, and in furtherance of the best interests of female athletes.
(c) The Secretary of State and the Secretary of Homeland Security shall review and adjust, as needed, policies permitting admission to the United States of males seeking to participate in women’s sports, and shall issue guidance with an objective of preventing such entry to the extent permitted by law, including pursuant to section 212(a)(6)(C)(i) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1182(a)(6)(C)(i)).
(d) The Secretary of State shall use all appropriate and available measures to see that the International Olympic Committee amends the standards governing Olympic sporting events to promote fairness, safety, and the best interests of female athletes by ensuring that eligibility for participation in women’s sporting events is determined according to sex and not gender identity or testosterone reduction.
Sec. 5. General Provisions. (a) Nothing in this order shall be construed to impair or otherwise affect:
(i) the authority granted by law to an executive department or agency, or the head thereof; or
(ii) the functions of the Director of the Office of Management and Budget relating to budgetary, administrative, or legislative proposals.
(b) This order shall be implemented consistent with applicable law and subject to the availability of appropriations.
(c) This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.
(d) If any provision of this order, or the application of any provision to any person or circumstance, is held to be invalid, the remainder of this order and the application of its provisions to any other persons or circumstances shall not be affected thereby.
THE WHITE HOUSE,
February 5, 2025.

MK hits the nail squarely on the heid

No entry to the USA for men intending to compete in women's sports. That will definitely force the issue for the 2028 Olympics if nothing else does.

The video of him signing is actually quite lovely.
an amazing day. (video on the x link)
https://x.com/EricLDaugh/status/1887248991974289869

It's just great to see how clearly and tightly worded these EOs are. Clearly the product of women who have done their homework!

I think this is especially significant because college sport and sponsorships towards college tuition fees etc is often linked to on the field excellence. By allowing male-born athletes to take women’s spots in sports you not only deprive women of medals but the chance at a college education in the US. I despise Mr T, but this is absolutely essential if women’s sports and access to higher education (and funding) for talented women from lower income households is to be protected in the States.

It puts a line in the sand, too, that it will absolutely be a requirement that the IOC must comply with for the next Olympics, as the effect will be that all international sports governing bodies have to fall in line. Am very pleased with this one. Would LOVE to know who actually drafted this one and which members of his team have spearheaded this.

And I just noticed this too:

https://x.com/babybeginner/status/1887100795906376054?s=46

Three female swimmers are suing the Ivy League council of Presidents, President and Fellows of Harvard , Trustees of the Uni of Pennsylvania and the NCAA.

It is not just about allowing Thomas to compete it is about their loss of privacy to a male being allowed in their change room

Brave women there!

And in addition to my post earlier:

Be accused of transphobia, or support men being able to freely walk around swinging their dicks in the changing rooms in front of teenage girls?

It’s amazing to me that some people still choose the latter option.

I'm delighted we finally have an ally to women in the White House! 🤗😚

Legislation would be even better, to get this nailed down.

There's a draft bill to protect women's sports that's been kicking around Congress for so many years that Tulsi Gabbard was involved in first introducing it when she was in the House. It's being pushed in the Senate by Tommy Tuberville of Alabama, who (standard disclaimer) you may disagree with on many other issues, but who was one of America's top college football coaches before entering politics. It's safe to say he knows a thing or two about sport.

Coach Tuberville says the Senate GOP leadership won't bring it to the floor because they're adamant they don't have the 60 votes necessary under Senate procedure to advance to a full vote. This means they don't think they can get 7 Democrats to break ranks and vote for biological reality. Interpret that how you will.

If it were me, I'd bring it to the floor and force them to show their hand. Name and shame. If they can read polls they know their own voters don't support them on this.

This is a poor taste joke, unless you're talking about the woman/women who wrote the EOs.

https://archive.ph/OEmUh

Quite a lengthy article in the Telegraph, partly by Tom Morgan (who I'm not familiar with) and partly by Oliver Brown, who has been consistently good on the issue of males in women's sports.

@Arraminta

Yes, exactly. There is a reason why a woman has never passed the selection criteria to join the SAS, Navy Seals etc. It's not discrimination to point out basic biological facts.

Apparently this is not so. It is harder, and the women that have passed are obviously much fewer, but the numbers are not zero.

He isn't doing it out of the goodness of his heart. He is doing it for his own populist ends, and you're falling for it.

Why is that a problem - he's enacting EO's his supporters voted for. Isn't that democracy? Would it be better if he enacted legislation that only elites support - like the Democrats when they ushered this mess in?

The left would never, ever have passed this EO. There is no perfect world, no perfect side, and if women on 'the left' cannot look at this EO with clear eyes, they risk losing it all over again the next time Democrats are voted in.

In the US context, the push back that caused this EO to be issued is from the populist right.
This is not to say that the people who often first noticed and fought bravely and valiantly, at considerable personal cost, against the erasure of women, were not women, primarily of the left. They were.

But this would not have happened without the populist right and it's genuinely puzzling to me that you would denigrate them for that.

But what are we supposed to do? Denounce this measure, even though we 100% believe in it, because of who it comes from?

And then what?

you're on the feminism sex and gender discussions board. The feminism which includes males and thinks men can become women board is over there.➡️➡️

f course men can't be in women's sports.

I do think that in at least some sports, women shouldn't complete with men in an open category either.

Boxing, for example.

So everyone should continue to allow men to beat up women in contact sports, spike volleyball in their faces, beat them at swimming, walk around naked in the changing rooms, and so on, until someone “nice” comes along and bans it? You’re ok with the harm continuing until then?

How long do you want to wait? Who are you waiting for? Because you can be damn sure a Democrat won’t do it.

This decision is “populist” because the vast majority of the human race recognise a difference between women and men for sport, and think there should be rules in place to maintain that. If others are too stupid to take advantage of a political open goal then that’s on them. But if you want to shame anyone for supporting this EO, explain from your moral high horse why you’re happy to see women and girls continue to be physically and emotionally harmed while you wait for an acceptable saviour to come along.

I look forward to finally getting an answer to this question of ‘when’? It usually goes unanswered.

Given that the Democrats show zero signs of turning on this one.

@NotBadConsidering

So everyone should continue to allow men to beat up women in contact sports, spike volleyball in their faces, beat them at swimming, walk around naked in the changing rooms, and so on, until someone “nice” comes along and bans it? You’re ok with the harm continuing until then?
No, I don't like or agree with those things.*
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How long do you want to wait? Who are you waiting for? Because you can be damn sure a Democrat won’t do it.
No, you can't be sure a Democrat won't do it, actually.

This decision is “populist” because the vast majority of the human race recognise a difference between women and men for sport, and think there should be rules in place to maintain that. If others are too stupid to take advantage of a political open goal then that’s on them. But if you want to shame anyone for supporting this EO, explain from your moral high horse why you’re happy to see women and girls continue to be physically and emotionally harmed while you wait for an acceptable saviour to come along.
It's populist because Trump et al. recognised an opportunity to gain a sector of voters and took it. He and his party don't support women - they want women to support them.

I will not apologise for not supporting anything that this moral and ethical vacuum does. Every passing day confirms this position.

Oh, and your heroine Nancy Mace? This was her response to Trump's announcement that he is turning Gaza into the Middle East Riviera: "Let's turn Gaza into Mar-a-Lago."