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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

I think males should be banned from female sport and anyone should be allowed to enter the male / open category. The US President has just signed an executive order saying this.

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SernieBanders · 05/02/2025 12:13

Females need their own sports for reasons of fairness, competitiveness and safety. I am glad that orders like this make it easier to talk about these issues without being called a biggot.

Everyone deserves fair opportunities, women and girls are under represented in sport, this can only help that get a little better.

Transgender sports people also clearly deserve opportunities to participate in sport and so trans women and men should be allowed to enter male / open categories or have their own categories if needed.

https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-transgender-athletes-3606411fc12efffec95a893351624e1b

President Donald Trump speaks during a news conference with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in the East Room of the White House, Tuesday, Feb. 4, 2025, in Washington. (AP Photo/Alex Brandon)

Trump to sign executive order barring transgender female athletes from competing

President Donald Trump is signing an executive order designed to prevent people who were biologically assigned male at birth from participating in women’s or girls' sporting events.

https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-transgender-athletes-3606411fc12efffec95a893351624e1b

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MyLimeGuide · 09/02/2025 18:44

flyingbuttress43 · 08/02/2025 15:26

Only just opened the vote and seen 7% voted for males, which by definition includes transwomen, to compete in female sport..

Jaw on floor - what universe do these 7% occupy?

Possible conclusions:
They hit the wrong button by mistake;
They seriously believe that reducing testosterone to levels still well above those of most women, evens the playing field (it doesn't);
They believe that transwomen don't have the same sporting rights as women (they do) - there is a category called 'male';
They went awol in biology lessons or possibly are young enough to have been caught up in the modern biology trope that sex is some sort of spectrum (it isn't);
That males with DSD and XY chromosomes are women because they have long hair and their outward genitals appear more female (they aren't);
That men miraculously change sex by having bits chopped off, filling their bodies with female hormones, or even just deciding to call themselves women because they fancied it or they have some sort of psychological problem (they don't, sex is immutable);
They bought into this "be kind" trope to pander to a wee fraction of the population (which is deeply unkind to sportswomen and half the world's population);
None of the above, but think it doesn't matter if thousands of women are deprived of medals, representing their country, county, town, college - whatever (it does).

I'm sure there must be more reasons - none of them logical - but that's enough to be going on with.....

It is most likely that they are fully unhinged.

Helleofabore · 12/02/2025 08:55

I read the letter on twitter and was hoping it was not faked.

i am glad that it has been raised.

LoyalMember · 12/02/2025 09:59

MyLimeGuide · 09/02/2025 18:44

It is most likely that they are fully unhinged.

Or they're absolute fanatics for the cause.

SernieBanders · 15/02/2025 17:32

LoyalMember · 12/02/2025 09:59

Or they're absolute fanatics for the cause.

I don't think they are either - I genuinely think that they "know" their perspective to be the real unshakeable, 1+1=2, truth

Thats the issue to be beaten - they will never step down

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ItsCoolForCats · 23/07/2025 07:49

Good news regarding the 2028 Olympics

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jul/22/us-olympics-paralympics-trans-women

US Olympics officials tell federations they must ban transwomen from the female sports category to comply with Trump's executive order, and it looks as if they have been falling into line.

From the article though 🙄🙄

The National Women’s Law Center put out a statement condemning the move.
“By giving into the political demands, the USOPC is sacrificing the needs and safety of its own athletes,” said that organization’s president and CEO, Fatima Goss Graves.

US Olympics officials quietly bar trans women from competing in women’s sports

Olympic and Paralympic committee tells federations it has ‘obligation to comply’ with executive order issued by Trump

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jul/22/us-olympics-paralympics-trans-women

ItsCoolForCats · 23/07/2025 07:51

And I don't know what their policies will be regarding DSDs. Hopefully Kirsty Coventry will commit to bringing back cheek swabs and drawing a line under this once and for all.

AnSolas · 23/07/2025 07:57

US Olympics officials tell federations they must ban transwomen from correctly reclassify transmen back into female sports category and transwomen into the male category to comply with Trump's executive order, and it looks as if they have been falling into line.

“By giving into the political demands, the USOPC is sacrificing the needs and safety of its own MALE athletes FEMALE SPORTS DO NOT MATTER,” said that organization’s president and CEO, Fatima Goss Graves.💅

ItsCoolForCats · 23/07/2025 08:31

AnSolas · 23/07/2025 07:57

US Olympics officials tell federations they must ban transwomen from correctly reclassify transmen back into female sports category and transwomen into the male category to comply with Trump's executive order, and it looks as if they have been falling into line.

“By giving into the political demands, the USOPC is sacrificing the needs and safety of its own MALE athletes FEMALE SPORTS DO NOT MATTER,” said that organization’s president and CEO, Fatima Goss Graves.💅

Imagine if a law centre for women actually advocated for fairness for women (the boring, biological kind).

I don't understand how they have come to their position. Do they understand the issues regarding fairness and safety etc. but believe that women (as ever) should place their needs below those of vulnerable transwomen (i.e. males) or have they made a converted effort to avoid being properly informed on the science so they can maintain their illusion that they are being righteous?

lcakethereforeIam · 23/07/2025 08:59

They've reported on it in the Telegraph too

https://archive.ph/vt9pe

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2025/07/23/us-bans-trans-women-competing-womens-sports-olympics/

Does anyone know if athletes with DSDs are mentioned? Although I suspect they'll be very few undiagnosed in the US.

AnSolas · 23/07/2025 09:23

ItsCoolForCats · 23/07/2025 08:31

Imagine if a law centre for women actually advocated for fairness for women (the boring, biological kind).

I don't understand how they have come to their position. Do they understand the issues regarding fairness and safety etc. but believe that women (as ever) should place their needs below those of vulnerable transwomen (i.e. males) or have they made a converted effort to avoid being properly informed on the science so they can maintain their illusion that they are being righteous?

Its benchmarking.

The prior generations had to
• be as good as men to get jobs
• be the same as men to keep jobs

That is reflected in the pregnancy and maternity the US has. Leave to recover from producing the next generation is unpaid.
The social fund women pay into fails to provide for a financial need that only women will have.

Having babies is "bad" because someone (women) have to grow them someone (mainly women) has to raise them until they become (hopefully) productive members of the community. The community dont want to share the cost and see the woman as not being a productive member of the community as it is not a "job" just something which any(onlywoman)one can do.

This real biological difference is clearly not being the same as a man. Men can get an education and a job and a career and sex without having to worry about growing and raising babies.

What is "stunning and brave" about a man removing himself from the social class man to the social class woman. Is it when you class women as less? So its not a hero being brave for winning is it?

Men have a clear physical advantage so in sports women are not as good as men nor are women the same as men.

Women are in the paid workforce and use birth control so its a choice between a male type career path or a female type career path.

In sports women dont even have that choice. They are not going to (or highly unlikely to) end up winning gold at 30 weeks.

A male body has a physical advantage.

So the next generations of women need to work out how to manage and value the stuff that men can not do in a way which uplifts women. To make the benchmark become woman focused by recognising that women are not men.

These women are determined to keep the benchmark as man.

outofdate · 23/07/2025 09:39

Unless this is backed up with cheek swabs it is totally useless.
Many competitors who have failed eligibility testing for other competitions are still competing in women’s sport in the USA. These males with DSD are slipping through the net.

ItsCoolForCats · 23/07/2025 09:57

AnSolas · 23/07/2025 09:23

Its benchmarking.

The prior generations had to
• be as good as men to get jobs
• be the same as men to keep jobs

That is reflected in the pregnancy and maternity the US has. Leave to recover from producing the next generation is unpaid.
The social fund women pay into fails to provide for a financial need that only women will have.

Having babies is "bad" because someone (women) have to grow them someone (mainly women) has to raise them until they become (hopefully) productive members of the community. The community dont want to share the cost and see the woman as not being a productive member of the community as it is not a "job" just something which any(onlywoman)one can do.

This real biological difference is clearly not being the same as a man. Men can get an education and a job and a career and sex without having to worry about growing and raising babies.

What is "stunning and brave" about a man removing himself from the social class man to the social class woman. Is it when you class women as less? So its not a hero being brave for winning is it?

Men have a clear physical advantage so in sports women are not as good as men nor are women the same as men.

Women are in the paid workforce and use birth control so its a choice between a male type career path or a female type career path.

In sports women dont even have that choice. They are not going to (or highly unlikely to) end up winning gold at 30 weeks.

A male body has a physical advantage.

So the next generations of women need to work out how to manage and value the stuff that men can not do in a way which uplifts women. To make the benchmark become woman focused by recognising that women are not men.

These women are determined to keep the benchmark as man.

That is really interesting. I struggle so much to understand their position because it is so unfair to women, but I can see how they could try to justify it like this. I wonder what would make them change their perspective.

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