I think males should be banned from female sport and anyone should be allowed to enter the male / open category. The US President has just signed an executive order saying this.

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Females need their own sports for reasons of fairness, competitiveness and safety. I am glad that orders like this make it easier to talk about these issues without being called a biggot.

Everyone deserves fair opportunities, women and girls are under represented in sport, this can only help that get a little better.

Transgender sports people also clearly deserve opportunities to participate in sport and so trans women and men should be allowed to enter male / open categories or have their own categories if needed.

https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-transgender-athletes-3606411fc12efffec95a893351624e1b

Luckily, whether he cares or doesn't, his signature's on the Executive Order document and that's all that matters to women who've been pushed aside by useless b#stards who couldn't get a look in previously in men's sports.

How are trans people attacked by saying they should compete in their own sport categories?

Trans women - are males. They complete in the male / open category

Thats not an attack, thats just science?

What? What do you think most trans people do to "transition"?

Because they cannot admit that they called this wrong.

They are totally paralysed by it all now.

They're making Trump look like the sane one on this issue.

Great job lads

It's frightening to see certain members of mumsnet suddenly become Trump fans. Please don't let the couple of good things he's doing blind you to the horrendous things he has done and is planning to do to womens rights and othe topics.

@littledotheyknow trans women are men, hope that helps ☺️

What on earth are you on about? I don't give a damn what gender identity anyone has.

As many posters on Mumsnet have said in the past, transmen are more than welcome in female single sex spaces, what with being women and all.

Men, however they identify, are not. But you seem determined to give penis people whatever they like, regardless of the impact on female people.

Why do you lie so blatantly then change your focus when challenged?

I don't think anyone is - but

I applaud all the executive order on banning the chemical and surgical mutilation of children - don't you?

Everyone gets some things right, these EOs have been belters

Exactly! I was a Labour Party member for years, but I can't vote for them in good conscience while they allow men into female SSS and tell me humans can change sex.

I can't see myself ever voting Reform, but I'd love to vote for a left wing party that accepts biological reality (how the fuck did the bar get so low?!). Sadly the Communist Party of Britain has yet to stand in my constituency.

Oh, hi, Kamala....😆😃

"They're making Trump look like the sane one on this issue."

It's mad right? And so obvious, just pull back from the brink on some of these mad issues and you will bounce in the polls!

How the hell is Reform leading in the UK?

REFORM! THEY ARE MAD

It speaks way more about the "opposition" failings, than the populist parties themselves

Damn that's depressing. Is there any climbdown, do you think?

Wes Streetling sounds like the best hope at the moment, and he seems to be an ambitious chap. Not sure what he thinks of the EOs. As far as I've seen Labour have been very quiet on them (though to be fair, Trump's trade wars and Palestine 'plans' probably take centre stage).

Yeah, I'm afraid an factually incorrect slogan isn't what we base laws on.

Because you say so and will scweam and scweam until you're sick if we disagree?

Wes Streeting is the next Labour leader I think and sooner than we think.

Their chromosomes prove different

FGS. Nobody is becoming a Trump fan because they agree with one thing.

There is no nuance in so many people's attitudes.

Only a man can be a transwoman. Transwomen are male right down to their DNA. A transwoman is a man. HTH.

I think Wes has the measure of it all. He was great on the Cass review and extending the ban on puberty blockers. I'd love to see him as leader (and the sooner the better).

The Democrats are another story though. No one seems to be able to break rank and speak sense. They're so tribal on this one. Perhaps they're secretly hoping Trump pushes it all through and they never have to publicly scrutinise their own position 🤷‍♀️

Does the EO say anything about DSDs? Sorry, nrtft.

Yes, I suspect most of us know people can be right on some things and wrong on others. It's not actually that complex.

Regardless of someone's DSD they are still male or female.

Agreeing with one of his stances is not being a fan.

Many of us don’t blindly follow one political ideology or another. We agree with some policies of each party without meaning we support other policies.

I for one despise pretty much everything Trump stands for but just like a stopped clock being right twice a day, I agree with him on his gender ideology stance.

The desperation of some throwing out far right, bigot, TWAW, hateful, transphobia etc to anyone who believes in biological fact is just trying to stifle any sort of debate and lacks any critical thinking.

Believing humans can’t change sex is a statement of fact - it’s not any political wing.

Believing humans can’t change sex is a statement of fact - it’s not any political wing.

Exactly.

The astonishing thing is not that Trump is upholding this fact - any sane human would do this.

The astonishing thing is that the Democrats have failed to do so.

Yes, they've been used to muddy the waters though. Men, like Semenya, and others have competed as women. I suspect there are some in the US too, does the EO make any mention of them? They should be excluded from the female category too.