NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board - thread #2

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 January 2025 and is expected to continue for 2 weeks.

First thread: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5186317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse

It's being live tweeted by https://x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr

JR can say what she likes, the judge has said the two sides can use whatever pronouns they like.

There is real outrage that SP has named DU as the second respondent. It’s actually a clever move.

This is a first tribunal, so it won't set precedent. If Ms Peggie wins, NHS Fife are unlikely to appeal. But Dr Upton might want to. Would being second respondant allow him to (I think the term is "has standing")? Because Dr Upton appealing and losing would set precedent.

Perhaps. What we really need is a judgment that rules it to be discriminatory not to provide women with a single sex changing room. Then the policy would need to change.

As I entered the virtual session as "observer" I haven't had the option to turn camera and mic on/off. Should I?

There should be a panel at the bottom of the screen where you can check your sound/ camera is off.

They really should give instructions to people remotely viewing, and what each option means when you select who you are.

In early cases, you had to join with video and audio, or you couldn't see or hear the tribunal, which was stupid. It's great they've added an 'observer' option, but people need to be told to use it.

No panel for me at all.

As an observer I had no option to turn anything off (except their audio) so assumed I was auto muted etc

The observer option doesn't allow the camera or mic to be used. Those joining with video and audio are causing the issues.

Must be same for me. Phew.🫣😁

I joined as an observer and had to mute my own camera/ mic

And as I've listened in to a work webinar and boiled a kettle and sorted the washing etc without anyone flagging me as an issue I think it must be fine :D

I do like joining with video and audio so that I can check myself the status of the microphone and the camera and confirm they're both off.

Doesn't it pop up when you move your mouse across the screen?

You aren't showing up on the screen and there's no background noise atm so I think you're probably fine.

I didn't get that functionality when I joined as an observer. This was on a laptop.

JR is cross examining. Leading questions is standard. You can't ask leading questions in examination-in-chief or re-examination (which is of your own witnesses). So Ms Russell can ask SP leading questions all day long, Ms Cunningham can't ask SP any.

Still on suspension but I'm not sure what exactly as trying, and failing, to multi task.

Presumably it depends on what options you select when joining etc. I join as a guest and then "allow" everything and then turn my own camera and sound off in the WCHJ window.

Judge, having a five minute break to sort issue

In the settings before joining, I have no option for cameras at all. It does ask if I want to mute my audio before joining.

When connected I have no options in regards to camera or mic.

For me it only appears if I hover over the bottom of the screen - it is possible they have been tweaking the way it works though given the issues

I assume this was the same for everyone, but I did notice that when I received access from Edinburgh, it didn't have any attachments detailing log-in, expected behaviour etc that I've had when observing ETs etc. before.

It did cross my mind that new observers might be left to figure out procedure on the fly...

Just been booted out

The dog was non-bonery - as you were. . .

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