Trump tells DOJ to prosecute teachers who “unlawfully” support trans or nonbinary students

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https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2025/01/trump-tells-doj-to-prosecute-teachers-who-unlawfully-support-trans-or-nonbinary-students/

Trans people exist, but they haven’t changed sex.
I’m sorry you feel sick because I too feel sick that some strangers can tell children they’re in the ‘wrong body’

Yeah no. Ushering kids towards serilisation and mutilation - that's the sickest sick thing in the world. Wanting kids to grow up with all their body parts and mental health intact is not sick.

I absolutely agree with Trump on this (much to my surprise as I loathe him)

That is quite a cake you have baked there.

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The level of anti-trans hate on mn makes me feel physically ill.

Saying that TW are NOT Women, is not hate. It's a simple matter of biological fact. It annoys me that we have to throw science out of the window. Most of us would allow TWs to get on with cross dressing if that's what they want, as long as they respect the rest of us. But they don't seem to.

You can change pronouns as a gender-critical statement (as I and other feminist children did in primary school in the 80s).

And supporting children in exploring gender as a construct is not ushering them towards self-mutilation.

Trump's law is preventing discussion and self-expression and is part of his insistence on gender constructs, part of his wider misogyny drive.

I can't see any of that on this thread. I see responsible adults discussing Trump's EO, looking at the pros and cons & with a couple of exceptions, agreeing that that no adults in schools are qualified to engage in this psychological experiment (social transitioning) on children & that no school should be transitioning children in secret from parents (all of which has been happening in the USA and in too many schools in the UK.

Long overdue for parents to say no to schools and to challenge all the trans captured organisations pushing this at children. I wish the UK had a government as concerned about safeguarding children as the USA appears to have elected.

'You can change pronouns as a gender-critical statement (as I and other feminist children did in primary school in the 80s).'

No student or teacher was punished for not following your pronoun request though. No person was expected to act as if your pronoun reflected that you had either changed sex or was neither identity. You made that choice due to a political belief. It is not comparative to the current situation.

People can choose any pronouns to anything they want.
What they don’t have the right to do is insist that others adopt them under penalty of being described as bigots or transphobic.

I think with Trump the old saying my enemy’s enemy is my friend cannot apply. At least for me.
I find it hugely annoying that this sociopathic narcissist aligns himself with biological reality. It adds fuel to the fire that anyone who does not believe in a magical ability to change sex is a right wing extremist who is also racist and whatever other nasties can be attributed.
I think his interventions will only increase support for trans issues as they will finally be factually claim the persecution they have previously only exaggerated and lied about in order to gain public sympathy.
I am so sick of morals, ethics, politics being about joining one extreme club or the other when it is perfectly possible to hold a range of views without needing a flag or a label to define your thinking.

I think with Trump the old saying my enemy’s enemy is my friend cannot apply.

It never did. As anyone who lived through the side swapping of WW2 could tell you.

Hmm. As a feminist teacher in the 80s, the focus was not on pronouns. We were too busy fighting for equal pay, setting up rape crisis / DV resources, pushing for legal change etc. Pretending that people could change sex was nowhere on the feminist agenda.
Telling children that their growing bodies might be flawed and a sex change will cure them is ushering a highly vulnerable minority on a path to sterilisation and bodily mutilation.
Personally I'm horrified that so many on the left have abandoned their responsibility to safeguard children from an age inappropriate ideology, but that's just me.

"And supporting children in exploring gender as a construct is not ushering them towards self-mutilation."

It can result in that outcome though. And what professional psychological training does a teacher have to explore an individual child's gender? And these days having a lesson where a teacher 'explores 'gender' as a construct' may not mean simply stating that sex stereotypes are harmful and people of both sexes should be free from living without adherence to stereotypes.

Every parent should have the right to view the material that their child is shown in any lesson. Then there is the issue about changing a child's identity at school, no school should be changing a child's school record without a parent's request. I have had two friends who have had this happen where their child (two different families) has had heavily involved teaching and support staff change their school records without the parent knowing.

neither sex. Not neither identity. apologies

I never get this “saying trans people don’t exist” tripe. It’s not like God, ghosts and fairies - we are not debating their ‘existence’. 🙄 Their existence has made itself known. So much so that cheating men now win women’s awards, rape victims are commanded to call their rapist ‘she’ and women don’t legally exist in some modern democracies.

What we don’t and won’t agree on, is that someone can change sex. They can’t. That’s not hate. That’s a fact. And you’re part of the problem whipping this up and calling it such.

Of course people with transgender identity exist.

There is a discussion to be had, not on this thread though, about leveraging other group’s historic homophobic and/or sexist oppression to support the theories that support gender identity and whether doing so is even remotely appropriate or accurate.

Just because someone says something exists it does mean it does exist. There are differences of opinions and whilst some may believe it is possible others might not - isn't this the same as other beliefs people have.

Section 28 had nothing to do with the "T".
Is "T" once again rewriting history?.

@AlisonDonut

The above post outlines my worries in a better way than I can.

I too disagree with men in women’s prisons, and men participating in female sport.

But trans people do exist. This generation of young people have been crammed full of hormone disrupting microplastics. Their food has been infiltrated with hormones. How can we say that they are just being ‘delusional’.

I sincerely hope that Starmer doesn’t follow this example. Education is already in crisis. I applaud teachers who just respect students as an individual and manage to get their job done- which is to teach.

I also was a feminist child in the 80s. I went into construction and did the boys subjects at school.

There was no such thing as changing pronouns in the 80s.

i look at it as the people exist, now it is a whole different discuss as to whether people should have to act if the identity was based in material reality or whether that identity is based on material reality. And I don’t believe that laws should prioritise any identity over sex categories when sex matters.

No one can change the sex category of their body. And no person should have to support the belief that a human can change sex or act as if a person has changed sex if they claim that they have.

Of course people who adopt such identities and beliefs exist...but what they believe in has no basis in reality. Nobody should be compelled to partake in such a belief; and children should not be encouraged to engage in fantastical thinking either...especially when that path so often leads towards drugs, cross sex hormones not naturally suited to the body, and radical, disfiguring surgery.

What adults do is their business, but again it should not be imposed upon everyone ele. Private feelings should remain private.

Is this what you are framing as " hate"?

You sound confused to be honest.

Exploring the sociallly constructed dimensions of gender means experimenting, exploring and either accepting or rejecting certain norms and or stereotypes associated with one's sex. It does not mean believeing that you can actually change sex. Sex is fixed. it is an immutable biological reality.

Nobody was using pronouns (in the way that people are now) in the 1980s, and that includes in schools - for the reason nobody had heard of transgenderism. It wasn't really a thing then. People were aware of a few men who were called 'transsexuals' - who had radical surgeries.....but that was pretty much it.

I don’t believe that the number of children in this generation of children who have now declared they are trans have been negatively impacted in this way by microplastics. This is misinformation and it is harmful to be posting this as even a valid theory.

There is also a huge difference between a teacher supporting exploration of identity, and those who support the validation of an identity when that validation comes with a list of harms that can be viewed as negatively impacting that child and other children, particularly when decisions about that identity have not be supported by the parents. And to a large extent even then there needs to be limitations on what is supported, and taught, because of the potential harm of others