Trump tells DOJ to prosecute teachers who “unlawfully” support trans or nonbinary students

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https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2025/01/trump-tells-doj-to-prosecute-teachers-who-unlawfully-support-trans-or-nonbinary-students/

First- it’s pretty widely documented that micro plastics impact hormones.
However, I’m not saying that microplastics is the only cause- just that there could very well be other factors contributing.

Were microplastics a big issue in the 18th century? Or at the dawn of human history, as we are so often told people with transgender identities existed then?

You are not subverting anything if you think that a girl who is at all 'masculine' in appearance, or who likes 'boy stuff' is actually a boy; or that a feminine man who is same sex attracted and likes fashion, is actually a girl.

Perhaps it was micro-plastics that created the 'goth' and 'emo' youth trends too?

OK so which factors justify removing a teenagers breasts?

Is there proof that hormones have any influence on gender identity diagnosis though? Are you trying to say that there is hormonal influences for gender identity? Because if that were true, then there would be easy tests that would diagnose gender dysphoria. But there isn’t.

What hormonal influence do you believe impacts gender identity?

Obviously not, but I don't think this law is critical thinking either.

I don't see that the EO obstructs teaching about gender as a social construct. It prevents promotion of gender ideology, which is a completely different thing.

It is fair to say that the penalties may make schools think very carefully about exactly what they do teach. In the light of the last 10 years, that is probably a very good thing.

In fact, thinking about this some more I wonder how easily a generation of teachers immersed in gender ideology is going to find it to teach any feminism. Here's a job for feminists of any stripe. Prepare materials to help. Get some influence in training colleges. This is all going to take years of undoing.

Who imposes being trans on someone else?!? This just doesn’t exist!

A four / six / eight year old child with parents insisting they're a trans child?

But if someone else chooses to respect their choice, they should be criminalised?!?

Schools imposing wrong sex, confusing non-normal English pronouns on all the students for the demands of a tiny minority (without, naturally asking them all if they want special pronouns). .

Schools imposing mixed sex toilets on girls and boys without their consent and against existing law.

Courts compelling women to lie about what they see and call someone they perceive (and actually in reality is) a man as 'she'.

Men forcing their way into women's toilets and changing rooms against women's consent, excluding women.

Journalists obfuscating and lying to their readers by mixing up sex-based and gender-based pronouns in the same article and putting the perpetrators demands above the victims perceptions (or feelings or right to the truth).

I could go on.

I guess that most schools and most teachers will abide by the directive but there will be highly motivated individuals who take no notice and will be sacked, then it will go to court. That's what usually happens in cases like this.

Is this a thing?!? Parents telling their 4 year old they are in the wrong body?! I think there are a lot of important issues to be discussed and dealt with, but there’s a lot of hysterical bullshit going around.

Tell that to the clinicians at the Tavistock who stated they witnessed deeply homophobic parents bringing their children to set them along the ‘trans the gay away’ route. Being homophobic, some parents could accept their child’s non gender conforming behaviour (or possible same sex attraction) only if they could cosmetically make their child look like the opposite sex. And, therefore apparently ‘straight’. The promotion of the idea of a gendered soul in the wrong body made this possible. Junk Science masquerading as healthcare. And incredibly they were allowed to do this to physically healthy children.

The clinicians had a joke that there would hardly be any gay kids in the future. The ‘gay’ would all be ‘transed away’.

It is incredibly sad that those children could be treated this way. First lied to that they could in reality change sex, and secondly put on a medical pathway which might lead to sterility or other serious health problems. Any principle of ‘First do no harm’ completely betrayed. On a pathway that youngsters could not possibly consent to as they could not be able to realise the full consequences. I didn’t consider having a child in my 20’s, but if I had been sterilised I would not have been able to then start a family in my thirties. Or breastfeed if my breast had been cut off as a youngster.

I really do think this will be regarded as an enormous abuse scandal in the future.

@Porridgewithoats "If Trump had wanted to allow children to explore and understand that gender is an oppressive, sexist construct, he could have put feminism on the curriculum and ensured schools had to teach critical thinking around gender"
You're suggesting Trump should have written a school curriculum and imposed it on all states?
That really would be tyrranical, and unconstitutional. And not a criticism of Trump I was expecting to see.
EOs are one thing US presidents can do, off their own bat, without any other branches of government involved. They feel undemocratic to me but it's their system. They have a very limited scope, Trump is shaving very close to the bone with these, many of them will be challenged and who knows how it all comes out in the wash.
I feel a bit like this EO is playing with the optics of the court cases in mind.

Claiming a trans identity is, by its nature, imposing on everybody else. Or is someone who doesn’t comply with preferred pronouns & agree to let transwomen into women’s spaces is not, in fact, a bigot??? That’ll be news for some of our other contributors!

In the meantime, you may want to go and have a look at the many, many court cases to see where trans people are trying to impose their beliefs on others - nurses in Darlington for example? Sarah Summer’s case against the rape crisis centre? Lia Thomas etc stealing women’s sporting achievements? Jo Phoenix (and many others) forced to leave their jobs? So surprised you don’t remember these things!

Then I'm afraid you've not been paying attention. It's not uncommon for primary school's to be faced with parents of young children claiming that their child is really the opposite sex - this is well reported. There's been a number of cases reported. Look at the number of primary children referred to GIDS in 2016 and imagine what it must be now!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/magazine-36170821

This is very difficult, but I don't think the way forward can be denying that a good law or policy is in fact a good law or policy.

I don't think it can even be denying, if it turns out to be the case, that the Trump administration turns out to be better than Biden was, or Harris would have been.

It's a very serious problem that media, including trusted media like the BBC, are so overwhelmingly wedded to a particular viewpoint over someone like Trump that they deliberately lie, even by omission, about what is going on so as to make him seem awful.

Andrew Sullivan mentioned an example of this in his substance the other day - they posted a picture of Trump at a party thrown for him by a supporter with a headline that said something about him promoting the interests of white people. The kicker - the supporter was a black guy, (not mentioned in the article) and they actually clipped the photos they printed to make sure neither he, nor any other black people at the party, were in the photos.

I think there is something really completely diabolical about that, and it tells us something about the state of the part of the left that will simply reject anything associated with Trump no matter what.

It's another manifestation of their unwillingness to deal with reality, and as such, I think pandering to it, even with the best of intentions, is a mistake.

I do think that your instinct that it is better to bring people along rather than impose is correct so far as it goes. But, remember that actually, most Americans, and even most Democrats, agree with the content of these EOs. It wasn't the ideas and beliefs of the electorate keeping these ideas in institutions.

Yes because ‘respecting’ it means they collude with social transitioning, which is potentially psychologically damaging. It’s the same as ‘respecting’ peadophilia as a lifestyle choice. Not acceptable if you’re in the teaching profession.

If it doesn't happen then the EO will be pointless so...

@TempestTost even in this very article the authors say that "critical race theory" is a term used by conservative commentators to inaccurately describe acacemic ideas about institutional racism.
I was going to link to the Wikipaedia entry on CRT in my initial reply and had a brief moment of vertigo where I thought, how long will this entry remain accurate for? (The current Wikipedia entry still names Cornel West and other Black intellectuals as originators of the term). Bit of a strange Winston-esque moment but I guess I'm prone to melodrama.

Its been documented that this is/has been happening, not only in the UK but the US and Canada.

I hope you believe it was also terrifying when Biden cut off federal funding and children’s free breakfast and lunch programs for all schools that didn’t allow boys in girl’s changing rooms and restrooms, boys to beat girls in their own sports programs, and the trans-ing of their children.