Trump tells DOJ to prosecute teachers who “unlawfully” support trans or nonbinary students

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https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2025/01/trump-tells-doj-to-prosecute-teachers-who-unlawfully-support-trans-or-nonbinary-students/

I think we all hoped it would be resolved naturally but it wasn't happening, in fact WPATH and their Eunach Gender tipped the whole rotten lot over the edge. And we all saw Titzilla in action in full view of the world with absolutely no guardrails. They were never going to stop.

This gives the people at the top, a very good tool to use to get everyone back in line, and everyone below a very good tool to push back at the people at the top. Nobody wants to go to jail for this, so just knowing that the DoJ has permission to do something, means things will have to change.

It’s best to pull off a sticky plaster quickly…

Conflating sexual orientation with gender identity ideology is all kinds of homophobic. If you can’t see that, then you're not the ally to gay people that you think you are.

I really feel sorry for teachers though, they can't win:

• if they refused to use pronouns and or to go with the wishes of a pupil who identifies as transgender, nonbinary and so on, they face negative consequences
• now if they support transgender/nonbinary students they will also face negative consequences?

Frankly I really wonder why anyone would want to be a teacher these days...

They won't be the same teachers, will they? A teacher who refused to go along with social transition is not a teacher who will now insist on abetting social transition.

(Also wanted to make the point that "supporting" a gender-questioning pupil does not mean going along with social transition.)

Both the imposition of gender ideology and now the US version of its rollback are top-down initiatives. Here the U.K. the rollback has been a grassroots initiative, and we have been course-correcting at a slower pace and with an eye on not actually throwing the gay rights/gender non-confirming baby out with the bath water.

The Americans don't care about nuance, they care about owning their enemies (who happen to be their own felllow citizens). That's what's uncomfortable to witness.

There’s a huge difference between educating and indoctrinating.

With the vast amount of dollars behind the tran$ juggernaut, this is the only way to deal with it. Trump’s administration mean business and are getting things done which is what the American people want.

There were transsexuals in the 1980s before they got “rebranded”. They didn’t insist they were women and demand female healthcare, access to single sex spaces, compete in women’s sports or suffer from prison onset ‘gender dysphoria’ either. Perhaps they would’ve if it had seemed socially acceptable to do so. I suspect most of them were either ashamed to be gay which is of course awful that they should feel that way or AGP.

The site linked to above would never cover something like women being silenced, threatened, given NHCIs, banned from speaking and taking part in online discussions or de-platformed, compelled speech, share rape refuges etc

I understand the concern. However, I look at it from the perspective that the EOs that tackled the definition of sex, the medical treatments for minors and the schools EO are also changes that have long been discussed in the UK parliament and guidance produced for or in the case of the EA language, clarity sought.

It seems almost like a catch up is happening after a government being in power denying these issues were significant. It does feel all at once but the discussions around them have been ongoing. Some of these were urgent such as the medical treatment EO. FFS Biden had Levine in a position of influence who was so personally and heavily invested. Was there any indication that Harris would consider Cass’ recommendations?

While I don’t think I would be comfortable living under a government who can produce orders to make changes the way EOs operate, they are part of the USA’s government process. I would prefer that Bills were passed. I hope that Bills can be raised, debated and voted on to make permanent legislation rather than having these issues open to ping ponging back and forth whenever a new President is in power.

The threats don’t stop there. Federal funding for schools and programs that teach lessons about gender or race is also in jeopardy

The article also says the above. This is terrifying.
Some of the responses on this thread are terrifying. I agree with @PriOn1 about the rate of implementation.
Stripping away rights. Cutting off channels to educate and support.

It does remain an incredibly difficult time where it is very divided as to know what to do for the best outcome for the child. By that I mean knowing what is the best approach to take because the directives are so opposite and change regularly.

On this issue I think Trump is right.

I'm very much in the "just stop" camp. Socially transitioning children is just wrong. Putting male people in women's prisons, RCCs and sports, etc, is just wrong. Medically and surgically transitioning children is just wrong. The harm has to stop right now.

Don't forget that most people are not in favour of GII, and indeed are horrified by the idea of transitioning children. Those who are in favour, the zealots, won't be persuaded anyway. Regarding child transition, the #Bekinders who go along with it because it's fashionable or "progressive" will probably melt away when they see what the consequences of transitioning are for children and young people, and definitely melt away if they realise there could be consequences for themselves. The EOs are the equivalent of a golden bridge for this group.

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And yes! It is importsnt to remember the EOs that Biden put through too. I keep trying to mention them in discussions where people talk about Trump’s EOs.

Biden put through EOs too and some of these are reversals.

I think this is where the danger of these EOs lie. They ping pong policy back and forth.

In saying that, that doesn’t mean that the ones under discussion on FWR are poor outcomes though.

Just educate the children. Teachers, heads, education authorities really aren't qualified psychologists.

If it's not happening then why are they worried about teachers being punished?
It's a very strange article.

Which responses are 'terrifying'? And why?

If a teacher is knowingly going against school policy then they must expect consequences.

Children adopting such identities need to keep it between themselves and their immediate friends. Other pupils, nor teachers, should be expected to prop up a private belief. A teacher doing so would be guilty of enabling. A responsible teacher needs for the child to understand that they cannot change sex and should continue with natural pronouns.

"T" lives and 'identities were not a thing in the 1980's. And in fact the whole identity business was not a thing, either. Lesbians and gay men did not 'identify as' anything. They were simply same sex attracted.

Teachers act within contexts and cultures. If it has been decided that promoting identity politics and the culture of' gender' is to cease in schools - then teachers who have been actively colluding must cease doing so. The leadership team must stop inviting in activist groups as well, or using their resources.

Not all teachers have gone along with pronouns etc...in fact many have opposed it. The teachers who have gone along with it, and even promoted it, have usually been activists, or else operating under guidelines put out by the school's lead.

Thanks @OldCrone - just what I was going to reply. I can’t believe so many teachers willingly go along with it. It’s as if they are whistled to support a new social activism and they happily come running with no critical thinking whatsoever.

That's what makes me uneasy. The courts in the states are increasingly controlled by Trump-appointed judges, so who knows what they might do. The EO definition is too nebulous.

Not all EOs are lawful.

And if they are not lawful, they will be challenged. Biden had EOs challenged to. It is only right that EOs be challenged if they have been poorly drafted.

I personally think that it is far better to establish well debated legislation and issue guidance. But that is just my opinion.

Still doesn't mean that the outcome that is intended for the EOs that are being discussed on FWR at the moment are poor results for female people and children. Particularly if the EO issues a directive for the relevant department to come up with the finer details.

The level of anti-trans hate on mn makes me feel physically ill. I understand the issues around female only spaces, women’s sports, and being v v careful about how/when we give support because childhood is a difficult and confusing time and you don’t want to get it wrong…. But to say that trans people don’t EVER really exist when they have throughout history, and to level this amount of hatred towards them is truly sick.

The way I see it, and it is only my opinion, but by introducing these EOs as quickly as they have, allows people to question what has been happening in schools without being silenced by the school boards. The parents that have questioned the reading materials available in the libraries have been silenced.
These executive orders now give those parents a voice and restore their rights to demand those responsible for teaching 4th and 5th Grade children that it’s entirely possible and in some cases preferable to ‘change sex’ will be held to account.

As for the reading materials available in schools..I have no words. 😠