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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
LesbianNana · 03/02/2025 06:27

Trump KNOWS these teachers will just keep doing it unless he drops the hammer.

This just happened. Trump ordered an end to bloated federal DEI programs, along with their high paying (some as high as $250,000-$300,000 yearly) tax payer funded salaries. Some of the feds decided to get all cute and immediately began posting idiotic things like “guess it’s time to change the name of DEI” and posting their pictures with their titles changed. He then went scorched earth on them.

I honestly don’t care if the people who hate him still hate him. He’s not fucking around this term and I love to see it. I wake up every morning with the Bill Hader popcorn eating GIF in my head.

Helleofabore · 03/02/2025 06:32

TheCourseOfTheRiverChanged · 03/02/2025 04:33

@TempestTost even in this very article the authors say that "critical race theory" is a term used by conservative commentators to inaccurately describe acacemic ideas about institutional racism.
I was going to link to the Wikipaedia entry on CRT in my initial reply and had a brief moment of vertigo where I thought, how long will this entry remain accurate for? (The current Wikipedia entry still names Cornel West and other Black intellectuals as originators of the term). Bit of a strange Winston-esque moment but I guess I'm prone to melodrama.

I thought that too when I read it.

I have never read this media source before, however, I thought the article was just the usual unbalanced opinion piece that we see that plays to one political party view and not balanced.

The framing of the EOs intentions too. They were not framed as having positive outcomes for female people and children who were the focus of the orders. In fact, it felt like those very people didn’t get even a passing thought.

Helleofabore · 03/02/2025 06:43

Pinkissmart · 02/02/2025 09:13

The threats don’t stop there. Federal funding for schools and programs that teach lessons about gender or race is also in jeopardy

The article also says the above. This is terrifying.
Some of the responses on this thread are terrifying. I agree with @PriOn1 about the rate of implementation.
Stripping away rights. Cutting off channels to educate and support.

Did you say the same thing about the Biden EOs and the changes that he supported that negatively impacted female people and children?

Did you declare it was terrifying that male children now used female children’s bathrooms? Did you consider how the changes stripped away the safety and the rights of female children?

Did you declare it was terrifying that male children/students could now compete as female athletes and injure them (such as broken orbital bones in volleyball games as a start), set records that female people may never break and take their scholarships and their podium wins?

LesbianNana · 03/02/2025 06:47

Helleofabore · 03/02/2025 06:43

Did you say the same thing about the Biden EOs and the changes that he supported that negatively impacted female people and children?

Did you declare it was terrifying that male children now used female children’s bathrooms? Did you consider how the changes stripped away the safety and the rights of female children?

Did you declare it was terrifying that male children/students could now compete as female athletes and injure them (such as broken orbital bones in volleyball games as a start), set records that female people may never break and take their scholarships and their podium wins?

Haha jinx. Except you said it much better than I did. 😄

Helleofabore · 03/02/2025 07:00

LesbianNana · 03/02/2025 06:47

Haha jinx. Except you said it much better than I did. 😄

He he. I glanced at your excellent effort and remembered what I meant to post when I saw that post before I went chasing microplastic rabbits. But now I read your post and realise that I should have read it first as you covered it well.

Some of the posts on this thread really do reflect that OP’s linked article well. There is a distinct outpouring of emotion that seems to forget the Biden EOs and his support of bills that caused harm. Where was the empathy with the women and girls with Biden’s decisions? Did the same people celebrate Biden’s decisions or did they think…. ‘actually, these will adversely impact women and girls, there is something wrong here!’?

LesbianNana · 03/02/2025 07:07

TempestTost · 02/02/2025 23:40

This is very difficult, but I don't think the way forward can be denying that a good law or policy is in fact a good law or policy.

I don't think it can even be denying, if it turns out to be the case, that the Trump administration turns out to be better than Biden was, or Harris would have been.

It's a very serious problem that media, including trusted media like the BBC, are so overwhelmingly wedded to a particular viewpoint over someone like Trump that they deliberately lie, even by omission, about what is going on so as to make him seem awful.

Andrew Sullivan mentioned an example of this in his substance the other day - they posted a picture of Trump at a party thrown for him by a supporter with a headline that said something about him promoting the interests of white people. The kicker - the supporter was a black guy, (not mentioned in the article) and they actually clipped the photos they printed to make sure neither he, nor any other black people at the party, were in the photos.

I think there is something really completely diabolical about that, and it tells us something about the state of the part of the left that will simply reject anything associated with Trump no matter what.

It's another manifestation of their unwillingness to deal with reality, and as such, I think pandering to it, even with the best of intentions, is a mistake.

I do think that your instinct that it is better to bring people along rather than impose is correct so far as it goes. But, remember that actually, most Americans, and even most Democrats, agree with the content of these EOs. It wasn't the ideas and beliefs of the electorate keeping these ideas in institutions.

That picture was on the cover of New Yorker magazine. It said “The Cruel Kids table: The right contemplating cultural domination” and then conveniently edited out all of the black people who were in the original picture. And neglected to mention the person throwing the party was black. Fucking disgusting and so dishonest.

Ingenieur · 03/02/2025 08:01

Dazedandconfusedma · 02/02/2025 21:55

Who imposes being trans on someone else?!? This just doesn’t exist!

The ideology posits that there is an undemonstrated and unfalsifiable gendered soul, that may or may not match a person's sex.

What does happen in real life is that proponents of the ideology pretend that the discomfort young people have about their bodies, or about going through puberty, or about being homosexual, or about enjoying things traditionally enjoyed by the opposite sex, are in fact trans, and that transition will solve it. They have taken absolutely normal feelings felt by most kids at one point or another and sold them a quack cure.

If you deny this is what happens then either you haven't looked, or you are lying.

themostspecialelfintheworkshop · 03/02/2025 09:31

LesbianNana · 03/02/2025 07:07

That picture was on the cover of New Yorker magazine. It said “The Cruel Kids table: The right contemplating cultural domination” and then conveniently edited out all of the black people who were in the original picture. And neglected to mention the person throwing the party was black. Fucking disgusting and so dishonest.

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And also racist. It's an attitude of 'if you're black you can't be a Trump supporter, let us, lefties at New Yorker, completely erase the reality of your lives and tell you what you should be doing'.

It's very, very racist to actually edit black people out of a picture.

themostspecialelfintheworkshop · 03/02/2025 09:36

Igneococcus · 03/02/2025 07:19

Whereas in the UK this documentary will be available to be shown in schools across the country:
https://www.thetimes.com/article/0b3b5af2-61c2-43b6-b885-b5b71e35d796?shareToken=8df239a4cb012b5c291e44c70d1b74b0

Appalling stuff - what next, promo videos about breast ironing?

I suspect this is going to be a case of sunlight being the fastest peaking experience for pupils and parents alike though.

11 is a particularly awful age to show this to girls many of whom - at this age - will be very uncomfortable with their breasts as I'd guess most are. I really don't understand how breast ironing = bad but breast binding = good. Showing this film to children is a huge safeguarding failure.

themostspecialelfintheworkshop · 03/02/2025 09:39

LesbianNana · 03/02/2025 06:27

Trump KNOWS these teachers will just keep doing it unless he drops the hammer.

This just happened. Trump ordered an end to bloated federal DEI programs, along with their high paying (some as high as $250,000-$300,000 yearly) tax payer funded salaries. Some of the feds decided to get all cute and immediately began posting idiotic things like “guess it’s time to change the name of DEI” and posting their pictures with their titles changed. He then went scorched earth on them.

I honestly don’t care if the people who hate him still hate him. He’s not fucking around this term and I love to see it. I wake up every morning with the Bill Hader popcorn eating GIF in my head.

Talk about demonstrating you're too stupid for your high paying job!

Trump has shown many times that goading him like this does not end well, it's not as if they couldn't have know what would happen.

Helleofabore · 03/02/2025 09:58

I remember there was a case a few years ago where Stonewall said they believed very young children could tell they were transgender.

In looking for that, I found things like:

https://rethinkingschools.org/articles/can-a-4-year-old-know-her-gender-identity-yes/

https://cafemom.com/parenting/213965-mom-inspiring-story-transitioning-son-daughter

https://unherd.com/newsroom/why-are-we-celebrating-a-four-year-old-transitioning/

https://www.businessinsider.com/how-my-toddler-came-out-as-trans-to-our-family-2021-9?op=1

https://archive.ph/vuZGw

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/transgender-kids/jacob-s-journey-life-transgender-5-year-old-n345131

This is just from the first page. I didn't go any further. There are so many stories published about very young children being transitioned.

Anyway, this is what Stonewall said in 2022.

https://reduxx.info/stonewall-says-toddlers-can-recognize-they-are-transgender/

The tweet from Stonewall 22nd July 2022:

"Research suggests that children as young as 2 recognise their trans identity. Yet, many nurseries and schools teach a binary understanding of pre-assigned gender.

LGBTQ-inclusive and affirming education is crucial for the wellbeing of all young people!"

And the tweet was in response to this metro article:

https://metro.co.uk/2022/07/19/my-4-year-old-is-gender-nonconforming-her-nursery-doesnt-respect-that-16969054/

So, for those who doubt that that 4 year olds are being transitioned, I suggest you might like to do your own search.

There is also one particular young male child who has parents who have regularly posted photos on twitter over the past few years documenting that child's transition, If I remember correctly, I most recently saw they were protesting last year that their child was being excluded from female school sports. But, I cannot remember the child's name and there are now so many search results on twitter that I cannot find those specific parents.

My toddler came out as trans at age 4. He's so much happier now.

The author shares how their second child came out as a trans boy to their family, and how they've all gotten to meet the real him.

https://www.businessinsider.com/how-my-toddler-came-out-as-trans-to-our-family-2021-9?op=1

RoyalCorgi · 03/02/2025 10:14

The interesting question is how the Democrats will respond to this. Will they spend the next four years fighting the gender-related EOs, or will they let it go and focus on other more important stuff? And what happens when/if they regain power in 2029? The big risk is that we endlessly swing between the two positions, and the Dems just reverse all Trump's decisions. But I think if they've got any sense, they will just realise that this isn't making them popular with the public and they will drop it altogether.

Shortshriftandlethal · 03/02/2025 10:18

Helleofabore · 03/02/2025 09:58

I remember there was a case a few years ago where Stonewall said they believed very young children could tell they were transgender.

In looking for that, I found things like:

https://rethinkingschools.org/articles/can-a-4-year-old-know-her-gender-identity-yes/

https://cafemom.com/parenting/213965-mom-inspiring-story-transitioning-son-daughter

https://unherd.com/newsroom/why-are-we-celebrating-a-four-year-old-transitioning/

https://www.businessinsider.com/how-my-toddler-came-out-as-trans-to-our-family-2021-9?op=1

https://archive.ph/vuZGw

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/transgender-kids/jacob-s-journey-life-transgender-5-year-old-n345131

This is just from the first page. I didn't go any further. There are so many stories published about very young children being transitioned.

Anyway, this is what Stonewall said in 2022.

https://reduxx.info/stonewall-says-toddlers-can-recognize-they-are-transgender/

The tweet from Stonewall 22nd July 2022:

"Research suggests that children as young as 2 recognise their trans identity. Yet, many nurseries and schools teach a binary understanding of pre-assigned gender.

LGBTQ-inclusive and affirming education is crucial for the wellbeing of all young people!"

And the tweet was in response to this metro article:

https://metro.co.uk/2022/07/19/my-4-year-old-is-gender-nonconforming-her-nursery-doesnt-respect-that-16969054/

So, for those who doubt that that 4 year olds are being transitioned, I suggest you might like to do your own search.

There is also one particular young male child who has parents who have regularly posted photos on twitter over the past few years documenting that child's transition, If I remember correctly, I most recently saw they were protesting last year that their child was being excluded from female school sports. But, I cannot remember the child's name and there are now so many search results on twitter that I cannot find those specific parents.

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Dear God!

That mother was pushing girly hair and pink from day one.......what is up with people?

Helleofabore · 03/02/2025 10:30

Many regulars will remember Diane Ehrensaft, developmental psychologist. The one who talks about barrettes being ripped out of hair and unbuttoned onesies as signs for babies that they are transgender.

4thwavenow.com/2016/09/29/gender-affirmative-therapist-baby-who-hates-barrettes-trans-boy-questioning-sterilization-of-11-year-olds-same-as-denying-cancer-treatment/

Arran2024 · 03/02/2025 10:47

Dazedandconfusedma · 02/02/2025 22:08

Is this a thing?!? Parents telling their 4 year old they are in the wrong body?! I think there are a lot of important issues to be discussed and dealt with, but there’s a lot of hysterical bullshit going around.

Parents used to use Munchausens by proxy (now known as fabricated illness) to gain attention. Now they trans their kids instead.

I have 2 adopted children and their birth mother was accused of Munchausens by proxy on the older one, who was in hospital 4 times before the age of 1. Turned out she had done the same with her eldest child years before.

People would be astonished at what some parents will do to their children.

TheCourseOfTheRiverChanged · 03/02/2025 10:52

@themostspecialelfintheworkshop "I really don't understand how breast ironing = bad but breast binding = good. Showing this film to children is a huge safeguarding failure."
Clearly you need more practice thinking like a cultural imperialist.

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