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TwistedWonder · 2025-01-30T16:03:16+00:00

[[https://reduxx.info/france-gynecologist-suspended-from-practice-after-lgbt-organization-files-transphobia-complaint https://reduxx.info/france-gynecologist-suspended-from-practice-after-lgbt-organization-files-transphobia-complaint/]] Despite telling the TW it wasn’t his area of expertise and offering to refer him he’s deemed transphobic apparently. FFS make this BS stop

SharpOpalNewt · 31/01/2025 04:38

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 31/01/2025 04:29

If the gynaecologist had put that on social media as a response to a patient review, he'd have get hammered for violating patient confidentiality by listing what his patient did not have.

Bear in mind that this doctor was posting a response online to an unjustified negative online review after having his staff slurred as "transphobic".

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Of course he would - why would a gynaecologist put a private communucation to a patient on social media? Why would a doctor be on social media discussing patients openly? I was obviously talking about a more professionally worded communication between doctor the patient.

OldCrone · 31/01/2025 04:45

SharpOpalNewt · 31/01/2025 04:38

Of course he would - why would a gynaecologist put a private communucation to a patient on social media? Why would a doctor be on social media discussing patients openly? I was obviously talking about a more professionally worded communication between doctor the patient.

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We don't know what private communication there was (if any) between the gynaecologist and the man who wanted to be his patient. All we know is what he posted online in response to the negative online review. He was under no obligation to correspond with a man who wanted to be treated by a gynaecologist and who had been abusive when visiting his surgery.

PokerFriedDips · 31/01/2025 04:50

InvisibleDragon · 30/01/2025 16:51

I'm going to go against the grain and say that his message, as shown in the image above, is unnecessarily rude and dismissive. It says:

SIR,
I am a gynaecologist and I look after real women. I am not qualified to look after MEN, even if they shave their beard and come to tell my secretary that they have become women. My GYNAECOLOGICAL examination table is not adapted for examining men. You have specialised and extremely competent services to look after men like you.

Whilst I understand the factual position that a gynaecologist works with female reproductive organs, to repeatedly refer to the client as a man, sir and so on is inflammatory and not particularly helpful to anyone.

I agree. This response is genuinely transphobic. It's not transphobic for a gynecologist to decline to treat a transwoman but doing so in such a rude way is wrong.

He could have written:

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Dear (name) [no need to use sir to make a nasty point or to use madam to be sycophantic] Regretfully I am unable to provide the service you ask for. I am a specialist in the female reproductive organs, and these are very different from the physical situation of transwomen whether pre or post surgery. It would be very unprofessional of me to offer care and treatment for your situation when it is not my field of expertise. Please seek appropriate care from a specialist in healthcare for transwomen.

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That wouldn't have been transphobic. I find it hard to support the gynecologist when he has been so nasty. It's perfectly possible to be both GC and respectful and polite, without pandering to unrealistic fantasies.

SharpOpalNewt · 31/01/2025 04:53

OldCrone · 31/01/2025 04:45

We don't know what private communication there was (if any) between the gynaecologist and the man who wanted to be his patient. All we know is what he posted online in response to the negative online review. He was under no obligation to correspond with a man who wanted to be treated by a gynaecologist and who had been abusive when visiting his surgery.

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In that case he should know as an experienced professional not to respond with highly personal remarks - whatever the case and whomever he is responding to publicly, however frustrating the case. I suspect professional standards are the real issue here, not the trans issue everyone has jumped on.

Moulook31 · 31/01/2025 04:56

MrsOvertonsWindow · 30/01/2025 16:14

Speaking the truth is being punished everywhere. Of course it's legitimate for a gynaecologist to refuse to treat a man presenting with male organs or a facsimile of a woman's body.
This shows it's the only way men are able to wedge their way into women's spaces and services - by using threats and intimidation.

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Exactly.

OldCrone · 31/01/2025 04:57

SharpOpalNewt · 31/01/2025 04:22

Exactly, there are different ways to phrase it. "As you do not have a cervix, vagina, or female sexual organs I cannot treat you for condition X and further appointments will be with the XX department who will be in touch with you shortly..."

I'm as pissed off as the next person about women having to wait for treatment in the UK for gynae issues, or not being taken seriously by GPs. But this is France - completely different system. Please have the intelligence not to conflate this with NHS waiting lists.

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The man visited a private gynaecologist's clinic. There's no 'XX department' to refer him to (and shouldn't that be XY department, given the sex of the patient?).

This is a private clinic in France, not an NHS hospital.

And why do you think a man, with male sexual organs, who has wasted the time of the gynaecologist and his staff with his demands to be treated as a laydee, and who was violent and abusive when he was told 'No', should be pandered to with gentle words?

SharpOpalNewt · 31/01/2025 05:02

OldCrone · 31/01/2025 04:57

The man visited a private gynaecologist's clinic. There's no 'XX department' to refer him to (and shouldn't that be XY department, given the sex of the patient?).

This is a private clinic in France, not an NHS hospital.

And why do you think a man, with male sexual organs, who has wasted the time of the gynaecologist and his staff with his demands to be treated as a laydee, and who was violent and abusive when he was told 'No', should be pandered to with gentle words?

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I think any patient or prospective patient should be dealt with professionally. The gynaecologist has been unprofessional to make highly personal remarks on a publicly available site - whoever they are dealing with. I would also worry about how he responded to any woman making a complaint about the treatment she had received.

OldCrone · 31/01/2025 05:02

PokerFriedDips · 31/01/2025 04:50

I agree. This response is genuinely transphobic. It's not transphobic for a gynecologist to decline to treat a transwoman but doing so in such a rude way is wrong.

He could have written:

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Dear (name) [no need to use sir to make a nasty point or to use madam to be sycophantic] Regretfully I am unable to provide the service you ask for. I am a specialist in the female reproductive organs, and these are very different from the physical situation of transwomen whether pre or post surgery. It would be very unprofessional of me to offer care and treatment for your situation when it is not my field of expertise. Please seek appropriate care from a specialist in healthcare for transwomen.

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That wouldn't have been transphobic. I find it hard to support the gynecologist when he has been so nasty. It's perfectly possible to be both GC and respectful and polite, without pandering to unrealistic fantasies.

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Is it possible for trans identified people to be respectful and polite? Is it possible for them to not be violent and abusive when they are told that gynaecologists don't treat male people? Are they able to refrain from posting negative online reviews when this is pointed out to them?

OldCrone · 31/01/2025 05:05

SharpOpalNewt · 31/01/2025 04:53

In that case he should know as an experienced professional not to respond with highly personal remarks - whatever the case and whomever he is responding to publicly, however frustrating the case. I suspect professional standards are the real issue here, not the trans issue everyone has jumped on.

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I think there's a real issue here with online reviews, where people can impact businesses in a negative way just out of malice.

SharpOpalNewt · 31/01/2025 05:06

OldCrone · 31/01/2025 05:02

Is it possible for trans identified people to be respectful and polite? Is it possible for them to not be violent and abusive when they are told that gynaecologists don't treat male people? Are they able to refrain from posting negative online reviews when this is pointed out to them?

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Is it possible that a highly trained medical professional has professional standards to adhere to in how they deal with any patient or prospective patient, partiicularly in any publically available communication?

OldCrone · 31/01/2025 05:15

SharpOpalNewt · 31/01/2025 05:02

I think any patient or prospective patient should be dealt with professionally. The gynaecologist has been unprofessional to make highly personal remarks on a publicly available site - whoever they are dealing with. I would also worry about how he responded to any woman making a complaint about the treatment she had received.

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The way to make a complaint is through a proper confidential complaints procedure, not online via a public site.

The fact that the trans identified male's partner took this route indicates that they knew this wasn't a genuine complaint. The gynaecologist probably shouldn't have risen to the bait, although I'm not sure how businesses can deal with such things without making a public reply.

It may have been the first time he'd been faced with transactivism, and thought he was just stating facts that all reasonable people would agree with. I think we forget on here sometimes that large numbers of people really have no idea what's going on.

SharpOpalNewt · 31/01/2025 05:16

-It is legitimate to refuse to treat her.
-The response to a Google review was unprofessional.
-What the fuck is Reduxx when it's at home and why are you relying on this site for coverage of news?
-Do you not think it may convey a certain slant on trans issues and what you are reading may be seen from a different, more objective and less inflammatory angle?

I really wish media studies and critical thinking were complusory in education.

OldCrone · 31/01/2025 05:17

SharpOpalNewt · 31/01/2025 05:06

Is it possible that a highly trained medical professional has professional standards to adhere to in how they deal with any patient or prospective patient, partiicularly in any publically available communication?

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The man wasn't a patient or prospective patient. It's not possible for a man to be a gynaecologist's patient.

SharpOpalNewt · 31/01/2025 05:17

OldCrone · 31/01/2025 05:15

The way to make a complaint is through a proper confidential complaints procedure, not online via a public site.

The fact that the trans identified male's partner took this route indicates that they knew this wasn't a genuine complaint. The gynaecologist probably shouldn't have risen to the bait, although I'm not sure how businesses can deal with such things without making a public reply.

It may have been the first time he'd been faced with transactivism, and thought he was just stating facts that all reasonable people would agree with. I think we forget on here sometimes that large numbers of people really have no idea what's going on.

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They can make a public reply without breaching professional standards, and also reviews can be removed.

OldCrone · 31/01/2025 05:35

SharpOpalNewt · 31/01/2025 05:16

-It is legitimate to refuse to treat her.
-The response to a Google review was unprofessional.
-What the fuck is Reduxx when it's at home and why are you relying on this site for coverage of news?
-Do you not think it may convey a certain slant on trans issues and what you are reading may be seen from a different, more objective and less inflammatory angle?

I really wish media studies and critical thinking were complusory in education.

It is legitimate to refuse to treat him. Thisis a man we're talking about. His sex is the reason for treatment being refused.

The response to a Google review was unprofessional.

I think you're probably right that it's unprofessional for a doctor to respond to a Google review. But if that's the case then Google reviews for doctors should be banned, because people being able to post what they want with no right of reply seems unfair to the doctors. I'm not sure how we solve this, but that's probably a discussion for another thread.

Reduxx is a well researched site which covers the negative aspects of trans ideology with stories from all over the world.

Do you not think it may convey a certain slant on trans issues and what you are reading may be seen from a different, more objective and less inflammatory angle?

It exists to give much needed balance to most of the rest of the media, which is far too focused on being kind to men with a paraphilia.

SharpOpalNewt · 31/01/2025 05:39

I've said my piece and can see that no further constructive discussion is possible on this thread.

Igneococcus · 31/01/2025 06:11

Do you not think it may convey a certain slant on trans issues and what you are reading may be seen from a different, more objective and less inflammatory angle?
That gynaecologists are not trained to treat men is objectively true and used to be considered a fairly uninflammatory statement.

poppymango · 31/01/2025 06:47

InvisibleDragon · 30/01/2025 16:51

I'm going to go against the grain and say that his message, as shown in the image above, is unnecessarily rude and dismissive. It says:

SIR,
I am a gynaecologist and I look after real women. I am not qualified to look after MEN, even if they shave their beard and come to tell my secretary that they have become women. My GYNAECOLOGICAL examination table is not adapted for examining men. You have specialised and extremely competent services to look after men like you.

Whilst I understand the factual position that a gynaecologist works with female reproductive organs, to repeatedly refer to the client as a man, sir and so on is inflammatory and not particularly helpful to anyone.

I actually disagree. If he met him at a party and spoke to him like that it would be different. But this is a man who went out of his way to seek medical treatment that is exclusively for women. Probably some kind of test to see if he would be affirmed or not, but knowing full well that he was wasting everyone’s time. It may not be the most professional message, but I think under the circumstances it was entirely warranted. Sometimes a good dose of reality is needed.

FancyNewt · 31/01/2025 06:49

The TW must have known a gynaecologist isn't the right service, and judging by their reaction it was all intended to make a point.

The Dr walked right into their trap with his over the top reaction.

But more importantly is the ridiculous situation of a man pretending to be a woman to access women only services and then stropping off.

Crazy world.

Cunningfungus · 31/01/2025 06:58

inkymoose · 31/01/2025 00:53

It occurred to me while reading your comment that violence and aggression, described here as "dominance", are both stereotypically masculine characteristics. I looked at a study on men and violence, published in 2024 (Masculinity and Violence Interconnectedness: Defining and Reconciling the Gender Paradox Among Men With Cumulative Lifetime Violence Histories / pub. Sage Journals) - very interesting, the study offered the participants the chance to reflect on "what it means to be a man" and noted that "We discovered in our Men’s Violence, Gender and Health Study (MVGHS) 82% of men reported experiencing violence as both target and perpetrator across their lifespan (Scott-Storey et al., 2018)." 82% !

So men are socialised into using violence from a very young age, because it is a "manly" behaviour. There are many factors feeding into this. Then, a male who decides they want to "become a female", and tries to enact the stereotypical behaviours associated with "the feminine side", still has the unaddressed, unconscious male type violence lying just under the skin, as it were. Maybe they were the victim of violence, maybe they witnessed it. So this "trans woman" when upset or annoyed, springs straight into that male-pattern violence. They show aggression towards the people who denied them their demands. They shout and scream at the doctor. Their status must be respected! Even as they enact a male-type violent aggressive response, they still want their "feminine self" to be validated. But their gender constructs just don't work. Not in any sense.

Maybe this is the process, this unconscious pattern, why TRAs would threaten to "decapitate TERFs".

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Exactly. I was in a casino once and a man playing dress up in a hideous dress, high heels, doll-like make up etc felt the croupier had wrongly calculated his black jack score (so he lost and felt he should have won). He hit the roof and was very vocal in shouting at the top of his voice, being generally intimidating to the croupier.

I said to my friends that he is regressing back to typical male behaviour of throwing a tantrum and generally being aggressive when faced with opposition. It was utterly bizarre to witness.

ArabellaScott · 31/01/2025 07:04

InvisibleDragon · 30/01/2025 16:51

I'm going to go against the grain and say that his message, as shown in the image above, is unnecessarily rude and dismissive. It says:

SIR,
I am a gynaecologist and I look after real women. I am not qualified to look after MEN, even if they shave their beard and come to tell my secretary that they have become women. My GYNAECOLOGICAL examination table is not adapted for examining men. You have specialised and extremely competent services to look after men like you.

Whilst I understand the factual position that a gynaecologist works with female reproductive organs, to repeatedly refer to the client as a man, sir and so on is inflammatory and not particularly helpful to anyone.

How is a gyno supposed to respond to a man asking for treatment?

Either he is dealing with a very high level of delusion, or he's dealing with a fetishist.

So he may feel the need to spell out explicitly that gynaecology involves female anatomy, and/or he may feel angry at being used for gratification.

Most males who identify as trans will be perfectly aware they don't need a gynaecologist.

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TwistedWonder · 31/01/2025 07:06

What the fuck is Reduxx when it's at home and why are you relying on this site for coverage of news?

Tgere are various other news outlets publishing this story however they’re all in French and surely it’s more sensible to post a link in English rather than one where most of MN wouldn’t be able to translate?

Reduxx reports stories from all over the world that many of the UK might have missed if they didn’t shine a light.

And not media studies in education would be relevant to me who college in 1984!

But as to your obvious sneering - I always check the Reduxx articles on other media outlets before posting to ensure the validity .

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Mumof2girls2121 · 31/01/2025 07:12

So women are losing doctors for women now because of idiots.
I don’t believe a genuine trans women would never have gone to see this doctor as they would want the necessary check ups for them.
This level of outrageousness of people being offended is surely at peak and enough is enough.

Comeonicandoit · 31/01/2025 07:19

What the actual fook did the TW want from the gynaecologist? A Pap smear? Confirmation that everything was lovely and pink?
It’s like me taking my kid’s soft toy dog to the vet for a full examination.

BunfightBetty · 31/01/2025 07:23

Pinkcornfield · 31/01/2025 00:39

Apparently it shouldn’t matter what bits a person has.
The Times reports that Espace Santé Trans, a transgender health group, said in a statement: “Gynaecologists should treat trans women even if they have not had genital reassignment surgery or hormonal treatment.”

(They don’t seem to have ever heard of medical specialties…)

Eh? But what would they be treating them for, when they don’t have the anatomy the gynaecologist specialises in treating?

Just why would this patient go to the gynaecologist knowing they don’t have the relevant bits that the gynae treats?

Nobody in good faith would do that.

A specialist will never treat somebody outside of their specialism as they are not competent to do so. It contravenes medical ethics.

As patients, we all know this.

It was clearly a set-up and this person and their partner have played the dr like a fiddle and he’s unfortunately walked right into the trap.

The professional body that’s suspended the gynaecologist needs to grow a spine.