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Horrifying Republican response to Bishop's sermon

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JessaWoo · 22/01/2025 03:20

These are tweets from Matt Walsh on X about Bishop Marian Budde and her sermon earlier today in Washington, attacking her womanhood and ability in a sexist and ageist tirade. It seems the clarion call has gone out to the rest of the Trump X minions, as they are all tweeting the same sentiments - including Kellie-Jay Keen and Donald Trump Jnr. Rep. Mike Collins całłed for her deportation, although she is American. Do you still support Trump after this?

“A liberal woman over the age of 50 with a lesbian haircut is guaranteed to support the most evil ideas and policies that mankind has ever conceived.”

“Just take one look at this witch and you know everything you need to know about her, even before she starts talking.”

“Of course this grotesque display is coming from a female “priest.” You will only ever hear heresy and inanity from someone whose whole existence is blasphemous.”

And another tweet from Bo Loudon: “🚨BREAKING: A bishop at the National Cathedrol just urged President Trump to protect transgender children and not deport illegal aliens because "they're not criminals."

Pure class from President Trump as he sat through this despicable politicization of the prayer service.”

Speech text:
““In the Name of our God, I ask you to have mercy upon the people in our country who are scared now,” Budde stated. “There are gay, lesbian, and transgender children in Democratic, Republican and independent families. Some who fear for their lives.

”The people who pick our crops and clean our office buildings, who labor in poultry farms and meat-packing plants, who wash the dishes after we eat in restaurants and work the night shifts in hospitals. They may not be citizens, or have the proper documentation, but the vast majority of immigrants are not criminals.”

Budde asked Trump “to have mercy” on people “in our communities whose children fear that their parents will be taken away and that you help those who are fleeing warzones and persecution in their own lands to find compassion and welcome here.

“Our God teaches us that we are to be merciful to the stranger, for we were all once strangers in this land,” she continued. “May God grant us the strength and courage to honor the dignity of every human being, to speak the truth to one another in love, and walk humbly with each other and our God.”

Earlier in her message, Budde stressed the importance of unity, of respectfully disagreeing with one another, but also expressed concern over what she called “the culture of contempt” and feared “the loss of equality” for some who lose in political debates.

What a horrible, divisive message this is! 🙄 Personally, I think Budde's message is courageous and beautiful, and clearly deeply Christian at its core.

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NoCarbsForMe · 23/01/2025 04:55

Despite believing that women and girls have a right to their own spaces, I also believe that Kellie-Jay Keen is pretty far to the right. I don't support her or Trump.

NoCarbsForMe · 23/01/2025 05:01

SecretSoul · 22/01/2025 05:55

I’m not a Trump supporter and I remain utterly dismayed that he was voted back into power.

But I also think that our children need protecting from harmful gender ideology and that suggesting that “trans children” fear for their lives is unhelpful rhetoric.

i would never have voted for the orange clown but his willingness to undo gender brainwashing is the only tiny bit of brightness in a very big, black cloud.

He's not doing that because he cares about kids who have gender dysphoria or women's right though. I can assure you of that. He's all about the hate.

Helleofabore · 23/01/2025 05:42

NoCarbsForMe · 23/01/2025 05:01

He's not doing that because he cares about kids who have gender dysphoria or women's right though. I can assure you of that. He's all about the hate.

He is a politician. He put through an EO and has included this issue in his list to address because he understands that will influence people to vote for him. Biden also signed an EO on his first day that was about these issues but prioritised people’s gender over sex. So, it is not rocket science that Trump decided the issue was important enough to give his attention to.

He has listened to his own advisors who have paid attention to the issue and the woman who wrote the EO is, I believe, a lawyer who has already represented women and girls in law cases that are about deprioritising sex over gender when sex matters. I believe she is part of his team at the moment.

You can believe he is doing it for whatever reason you wish to attribute to him personally, however, he listened and understood that this was an issue that was influential.

Just as Starmer finally understood because people kept discussing it with their MPs and on door steps in campaigning that he needed to stop dismissing the voices saying there are issues to address here. Many of the democratic countries undergoing elections this year will find they will have to at least listen to feminists and not dismiss them on this issue if they want to be considered by the voters. It is an issue that crosses party lines.

NotBadConsidering · 23/01/2025 05:45

NoCarbsForMe · 23/01/2025 05:01

He's not doing that because he cares about kids who have gender dysphoria or women's right though. I can assure you of that. He's all about the hate.

He's all about the hate.

Yet despite this, the 1487 males currently in federal women’s prisons will be moved out as a result of this executive order and the lives of thousands of women prisoners negatively impacted by their presence - having to shower, change, live and interact with violent males - will almost immediately be improved as a result.

So despite being “all about the hate”, this executive order instantly improves the lives of women. Of course women prisoners aren’t worthy of the same compassion in this bishop’s eyes, or gender ideologues, but it’s what we’ve come to expect.

https://www.thefp.com/p/biden-transgender-federal-prison-policy-rhonda-fleming

Biden’s Transgender Prison Policy Goes to Trial

Rhonda Fleming says being forced to shower with male inmates violates her constitutional right to bodily privacy. On Tuesday, a court will hear her case.

https://www.thefp.com/p/biden-transgender-federal-prison-policy-rhonda-fleming

GrammarTeacher · 23/01/2025 06:52

SassK · 22/01/2025 07:50

I thought Trump was uncharacteristically restrained in his response to this.

The sermon was inappropriate. She was there to conduct a holy service, but she used the opportunity to make political points knowing he had no right of reply. It's somewhat astounding (the hypocrisy) given that all the major religions frown (to one degree or another) upon same sex relationships; religious teaching has made acceptance difficult for same sex relationships.

History is leaving people like this woman behind. She's clearly very annoyed about that.

It is not political to point out the true teaching of the New Testament. Republicans don’t tend to like it though as they follow prosperity gospel which has very little to do with the man that threw money lenders of the temple and deliberately chose to associate with people who were shunned by wider society. Reminding someone who claims to be a Christian of what that actually means is not political in anyway.

izimbra · 23/01/2025 07:07

Trump 'restrained'?

The comment he put out in response to the sermon referred to her as 'the so called bishop' and a 'radical left Trump hater' 'nasty in tone, not compelling or smart'.

He's demanded she apologise.

izimbra · 23/01/2025 07:10

BTW - I've looked at the social media responses to this speech.

The numbers of comments attacking this woman as 'demonic' and trashing her for her looks and her assumed sexuality is something else.

NoCarbsForMe · 23/01/2025 07:20

@NotBadConsidering the "pussy grabber" is a rapist. Not a feminist. I assure you.

NotBadConsidering · 23/01/2025 07:23

NoCarbsForMe · 23/01/2025 07:20

@NotBadConsidering the "pussy grabber" is a rapist. Not a feminist. I assure you.

I never said he was a feminist. Of course he isn’t. But it doesn’t matter. A feminist lawyer wrote the executive order, stuck it under his nose and he signed it. As a result women will no longer have to share showers and cells with males in federal prisons. Do you think this is a good thing or a bad thing?

Helleofabore · 23/01/2025 07:48

NoCarbsForMe · 23/01/2025 07:20

@NotBadConsidering the "pussy grabber" is a rapist. Not a feminist. I assure you.

He is a despicable human being. However, feminists have shaped and written this EO. Why would you deny who wrote it and focus only on the person who signed it.

izimbra · 23/01/2025 08:00

"As a result women will no longer have to share showers and cells with males in federal prisons. Do you think this is a good thing or a bad thing?"

She wasn't asking him to rescind this order.
will.

Republicans have used people's fear of transgender people as a political tool. They've poured vast energy (and money) into putting out messages framing the simple existence of transgender people as an enormous problem and threat to women. This is making life terrifying for many transgender people.

Helleofabore · 23/01/2025 08:07

izimbra · 23/01/2025 08:00

"As a result women will no longer have to share showers and cells with males in federal prisons. Do you think this is a good thing or a bad thing?"

She wasn't asking him to rescind this order.
will.

Republicans have used people's fear of transgender people as a political tool. They've poured vast energy (and money) into putting out messages framing the simple existence of transgender people as an enormous problem and threat to women. This is making life terrifying for many transgender people.

The Democratic Party had every opportunity to listen to the opinions of feminist and women’s groups and make decisions and policies that offered equitable solutions that worked for all those who needed those protections. They didn’t.

Where have the Republican Party ”poured vast energy (and money) into putting out messages framing the simple existence of transgender people as an enormous problem and threat to women.-” Or have the party discussed the significant issues that should have been already discussed and solutions found under a Biden government ?

NotBadConsidering · 23/01/2025 08:24

izimbra · 23/01/2025 08:00

"As a result women will no longer have to share showers and cells with males in federal prisons. Do you think this is a good thing or a bad thing?"

She wasn't asking him to rescind this order.
will.

Republicans have used people's fear of transgender people as a political tool. They've poured vast energy (and money) into putting out messages framing the simple existence of transgender people as an enormous problem and threat to women. This is making life terrifying for many transgender people.

People are spending a lot of time and effort coming up with theoretical future problems for people while ignoring the actual factual realities of what is actually happening.

Fact: this executive order benefits women. Immediately. Women in prisons, women and girls in sport, women in employment.

Theory: somehow this executive order makes life terrifying for trans people, will end their rights, lead them to being demonised, genocide/exterminate them depending on your degree of hyperbole.

As I said earlier, nothing about this stops trans people existing. Nothing about this stops trans people from claiming to be trans, or claiming to be the opposite sex. Go for your life if that’s what suits you.

You just won’t be able to compel someone to use wrong sex pronouns.

You will just have a passport that reflects reality.

You will not be able to be imprisoned with women if you’re a man.

You just won’t be able to smash a volleyball into a girl’s face in college sport.

If not being able to do any of these things “terrifies” you then maybe it’s time to reevaluate why these things are needed to validate your life and seek mental health support.

Brainworm · 23/01/2025 08:25

All these things can be true:

  • Trump is going to be bad for America.
  • This executive order is good news for women.
  • This executive order is bad news for transwomen.

Following on from this:

  • There isn't much we can do about Trumps presidency.
  • The issues that the executive order presents for transwomen need addressing, but the solution doesn't lay in seeking to overturn what the order delivers from women.

Many posters, since as far back at 2017, have been raising concerns about a backlash on trans people as a result of TRAs actions. TRAs have insisted that there is an oppression hierarchy and the needs of those at the top (trans people) override the needs of others. It was always going to fail and the 'wins' over turned.

Removing 'rights' that are not 'rights' and should never have been granted in the first place is bound to feel awful and, if not properly understood, misconstrued as 'hate'. The best thing TRAs can do is focus on ensuring trans people's actual human rights are met and stop considering it a 'right' to demand people think, or pretend to think, that males are females. They need to drop the authoritarianism and accept that gender identity isn't something everyone believes in and whilst that's upsetting for some, this alone doesn't present a danger or unsafe conditions for trans people.

I have no doubt that people with trans identities are discriminated against across the globe. They shouldn't be. They should be treated with dignity and respect, the same as all humans. They should be able to get jobs, housing, education like everyone else. Where there are single sex services, they should access the service that aligns with their natal sex, just like everybody else. Where this is an issue, alternative solutions are needed, but these solutions must not involve removing the single sex status of female only services. Essentially, TRAs must stop propagating the idea that this is hateful and/or denying trans people's existence. Arguably, viewing the world in this way causes as much damage/distress to trans people as genuine hate.

OldCrone · 23/01/2025 08:26

Republicans have used people's fear of transgender people as a political tool. They've poured vast energy (and money) into putting out messages framing the simple existence of transgender people as an enormous problem and threat to women.

What utter bollocks. What's actually happened is that many ordinary people, mainly women, have seen the dangers of allowing men to identify as women, and have campaigned, sometimes at great personal cost, to alert the rest of the population to this danger. The Democrats told us we were bigots, but it seems the Republicans were listening and have taken this on board.

EasternStandard · 23/01/2025 08:28

OldCrone · 23/01/2025 08:26

Republicans have used people's fear of transgender people as a political tool. They've poured vast energy (and money) into putting out messages framing the simple existence of transgender people as an enormous problem and threat to women.

What utter bollocks. What's actually happened is that many ordinary people, mainly women, have seen the dangers of allowing men to identify as women, and have campaigned, sometimes at great personal cost, to alert the rest of the population to this danger. The Democrats told us we were bigots, but it seems the Republicans were listening and have taken this on board.

This. Women have been talking about this for years. Finally people listened.

HoneyButterPopcorn · 23/01/2025 08:31

This was not the time nor the place for her lecture.

She should have spoken about peace, and having god in their hearts to guide the decision makers to make good choices etc etc etc. Not give the new president a telling off and push an agenda which is crumbling because it has been pushed so far it's causing serious problems.

America is becoming very polarised - Nazis Va Goodies. It's just bananas and continuing to push this won't get anything done. People will become more entrenched in their ideas and less likely to work together.

HoneyButterPopcorn · 23/01/2025 08:32

Newsenmum · 22/01/2025 07:17

Why is saying “trans children fear for their lives” such a difficult statement to accept? There always has been and always will be incredible vulnerable children fitting into this demographic. They are children. And whether or not they are ‘truly trans’ or brainwashed or whatever, they are extremely vulnerable and have a high rate of suicide. And there is a big gun culture of hate. I think they quite possibly are fearing for their lives. Compassion to help these children, however you see that, shouldn’t be disregarded and dismissed.

I also find it concerning when gender critical people disregard all the other disgusting things spoken purely because of agreeing with gender ideology.

When I was a child I was 'scared for my life' of the black panthers, Bible John and volcanoes. Oh and the nasty PIE men.

At least my parents and the media weren't telling me that any of the above were literally out to kill me.

SassK · 23/01/2025 08:40

GrammarTeacher · 23/01/2025 06:52

It is not political to point out the true teaching of the New Testament. Republicans don’t tend to like it though as they follow prosperity gospel which has very little to do with the man that threw money lenders of the temple and deliberately chose to associate with people who were shunned by wider society. Reminding someone who claims to be a Christian of what that actually means is not political in anyway.

That's an incredibly selective take (to put it mildly).
I'm not moved in any case to argue the point, because ultimately my opinion is that religious faith should play NO part whatsoever in politics. The UK and the US are very different beasts in that respect; faith and politics mixing isn't tolerated at all well in the UK (fortunately!).

Helleofabore · 23/01/2025 08:41

OldCrone · 23/01/2025 08:26

Republicans have used people's fear of transgender people as a political tool. They've poured vast energy (and money) into putting out messages framing the simple existence of transgender people as an enormous problem and threat to women.

What utter bollocks. What's actually happened is that many ordinary people, mainly women, have seen the dangers of allowing men to identify as women, and have campaigned, sometimes at great personal cost, to alert the rest of the population to this danger. The Democrats told us we were bigots, but it seems the Republicans were listening and have taken this on board.

The constant dismissal of the efforts of feminists in the USA is rather eye opening as you say.

That and the seeming inability to acknowledge how the majority of people are now impacted by the policy and law changes under the Biden administration. It has been years of work for feminists, children’s rights compaigners to get even governments to listen to them.

But it cannot be forgotten that changes under Biden harmed female people. And feminists were ignored and demonised when they raised the alarms about the harms that were happening.

Even the very act of dismissing the impact of feminist voices is happening on this thread. And the demonisation of feminists by categorising them as being far right aligned. Or even as somehow full on supporters of Trump. I don’t know how some people imagine policies get made if anyone who works with a government to influence policy must be ‘aligned’ to that government. If people really are believing that then it is a rather narrow and simplistic view.

Brainworm · 23/01/2025 08:43

Republicans have used people's fear of transgender people as a political tool. They've poured vast energy (and money) into putting out messages framing the simple existence of transgender people as an enormous problem and threat to women

The idea that transwomen should be classified as female does present an enormous problem and threat to the provision of single sex services. The problem and threat exists independently of whether an individual transwomen is good, bad, or ugly.

Many people with trans identities are very vulnerable. They need protections. Much wider support for these protections will be found once efforts to piggy back on to the protections in place for females is dropped.

NotBadConsidering · 23/01/2025 08:43

Electricity pylons. Those 1980s warning ads were terrifying.

It’s all been done before, hasn’t it? With puberty blockers being banned in the UK. People like Jolyon Maugham claiming “kids are terrified” and “they’re going to kill themselves”, such ridiculous statements that an expert in suicide had to correct his bollocks.

Meanwhile life has gone on. The catastrophic threats of imminent danger haven’t eventuated.

Brainworm · 23/01/2025 08:54

It’s all been done before, hasn’t it? With puberty blockers being banned in the UK. People like Jolyon Maugham claiming “kids are terrified” and “they’re going to kill themselves”, such ridiculous statements that an expert in suicide had to correct his bollocks

It wasn't that long ago that most psychologists approached issues like this with exploration of facts - to test out the evidence people have for their thoughts and explored how well this way of thinking was serving them. This worked well in alleviating elements of distress that can be managed internally. I am constantly amazed at how quickly things shifted.

I think the shift is attributable, to a large extent, to critical theory and using a lens of power and oppression. Much of this thinking doesn't stand up to the scrutiny when the above approach is applied and, in my experience, it is causing considerably more harm than good to the people it is designed to 'liberate' and doing nothing to dismantle structural inequality!

izimbra · 23/01/2025 09:07

"The idea that transwomen should be classified as female does present an enormous problem and threat to the provision of single sex services"

It would if transgender women made up 50% of the population.

However they only make up at most 0.3% of the population.

Which is why most terfs have had no meaningful engagement with transgender people outside of the social media space - something that feeds into the hatred and contempt they have towards them.

Terfs seem very comfortable with the idea of throwing the baby out with the bath water, in the sense that they'll support a far right party whose agenda is predicated on rolling back women's rights to education & healthcare, as long as that party is promising to legislate transgender women out of existence.

TooBigForMyBoots · 23/01/2025 09:11

Heggettypeg · 23/01/2025 04:50

Jesus said "Be wise as serpents and innocent as doves".
In other words, don't lose your innocent good intentions, but they are not enough on their own. To do any real good you need also to engage your brain and understand the situation before you act. Otherwise you'll just end up reacting to the loudest sob-story, not the greatest need.

Do you think Jesus would have made a woman in prison share a cell with a sex offender just because the sex offender said they were a woman? Or told rape survivors who wanted same-sex counselling to "reframe their trauma"? Frankly I don't. Because those are the sort of things that happen when people rush to "be kind" without really thinking it through. And Jesus was always very respectful of women. That's one thing that really stands out about him.

No. And the Bishop didn't either.