Horrifying Republican response to Bishop's sermon

[JessaWoo]

These are tweets from Matt Walsh on X about Bishop Marian Budde and her sermon earlier today in Washington, attacking her womanhood and ability in a sexist and ageist tirade. It seems the clarion call has gone out to the rest of the Trump X minions, as they are all tweeting the same sentiments - including Kellie-Jay Keen and Donald Trump Jnr. Rep. Mike Collins całłed for her deportation, although she is American. Do you still support Trump after this?

“A liberal woman over the age of 50 with a lesbian haircut is guaranteed to support the most evil ideas and policies that mankind has ever conceived.”

“Just take one look at this witch and you know everything you need to know about her, even before she starts talking.”

“Of course this grotesque display is coming from a female “priest.” You will only ever hear heresy and inanity from someone whose whole existence is blasphemous.”

And another tweet from Bo Loudon: “🚨BREAKING: A bishop at the National Cathedrol just urged President Trump to protect transgender children and not deport illegal aliens because "they're not criminals."

Pure class from President Trump as he sat through this despicable politicization of the prayer service.”

Speech text:
““In the Name of our God, I ask you to have mercy upon the people in our country who are scared now,” Budde stated. “There are gay, lesbian, and transgender children in Democratic, Republican and independent families. Some who fear for their lives.

”The people who pick our crops and clean our office buildings, who labor in poultry farms and meat-packing plants, who wash the dishes after we eat in restaurants and work the night shifts in hospitals. They may not be citizens, or have the proper documentation, but the vast majority of immigrants are not criminals.”

Budde asked Trump “to have mercy” on people “in our communities whose children fear that their parents will be taken away and that you help those who are fleeing warzones and persecution in their own lands to find compassion and welcome here.

“Our God teaches us that we are to be merciful to the stranger, for we were all once strangers in this land,” she continued. “May God grant us the strength and courage to honor the dignity of every human being, to speak the truth to one another in love, and walk humbly with each other and our God.”

Earlier in her message, Budde stressed the importance of unity, of respectfully disagreeing with one another, but also expressed concern over what she called “the culture of contempt” and feared “the loss of equality” for some who lose in political debates.

What a horrible, divisive message this is! 🙄 Personally, I think Budde's message is courageous and beautiful, and clearly deeply Christian at its core.

The Christian religion makes it very clear that there are two sexes and the differences between them.

What is kind and compassionate about letting a child castrate themselves because they thought they were the opposite sex?

It's strange that on another thread apparently the most Christian thing to do is to block gender transition, on here the most Christian thing is to it.

What is kind and compassionate about letting a child castrate themselves because they thought they were the opposite sex?

Exactly. The idea that Jesus was a woolly, fuzzy-feelings hippie who never had a bad word about anyone and simply wanted to preach love and tolerance is a modern, watered-down perception of Christianity. Jesus was absolutely not an enabler.

Something tells me that Jesus would have had some strong words for both the content of the sermon and the vitriol it received.

As a side note about FWR being somehow anti-Christian:

I'm a Christian woman, with a Christian understanding of what it means to be pro-woman. I've seen plenty of anti-Christian sentiment on MN, especially in Philosophy & Religion and even Christian Mumsnetters (there have been a couple of threads in Site Stuff due to the issue of non-Christians dogpiling Christians in their own space - of course this is not uncommon on MN, where some posters get a kick out of entering spaces just to pick fights...)

FWR is about as anti-Christian as the rest of MN (excluding those two boards I mentioned). It certainly isn't actively hostile, although it does depend on what's being discussed. There are one or two posters whose contributions I really appreciate, because they are so nuanced and thoughtful and don't strawman the Christian perspective on issues where Christians and secular feminists may disagree.

I think the fact I feel comfortable stating I'm a Christian should speak more or less for itself.

And I have now written the word Christian so many times it's stopped looking like a word at all.

Thank you, Mittens - you've expressed this beautifully.

Good on her. I don't like Trump very much. I disagree with this Priest on the transgender nonsense, and the whole religion thing actually.

But I very much like free speech, and I definitely approve of a country where a woman can tell the most powerful man in that country exactly what she thinks of him and be safe doing so.

THAT is what their 1st Amendment is all about isn't it? I can think your are a dickhead, you can think I am a dickhead and we can tell each other so publicly with no danger. Fantastic stuff.

You asked what the aim was here. Partly, my aim was to stop cruelty like yours spreading from the US to other countries so easily. It's so easy, you see, to just repeat what you read on social media instead of thinking for yourself.

Trump has posted on his TruthSocial account directly about the Bishop and her speech.

"The so-called Bishop who spoke at the National Prayer Service on Tuesday morning was a Radical Left hard line Trump hater. She brought her church into the World of politics in a very ungracious way. She was nasty in tone, and not compelling or smart. She failed to mention the large number of illegal migrants that came into our Country and killed people. Many were deposited from jails and mental institutions. It is a giant crime wave that is taking place in the USA. Apart from her inappropriate statements, the service was a very boring and uninspiring one. She is not very good at her job! She and her church owe the public an apology!"

x.com/trumpdailyposts/status/1882066165284913627?s=61&t=3wYru9P_J0h74BXKFXAfmw

This is the Bishop's sermon in full:

Let me make one final plea, Mr. President. Millions have put their trust in you and, as you told the nation yesterday, you have felt the providential hand of a loving God. In the name of our God, I ask you to have mercy upon the people in our country who are scared now. There are gay, lesbian and transgender children in Democratic, Republican, and Independent families, some who fear for their lives. The people who pick our crops and clean our office buildings; who labor in poultry farms and meat packing plants; who wash the dishes after we eat in restaurants and work the night shifts in hospitals. They…may not be citizens or have the proper documentation. But the vast majority of immigrants are not criminals. They pay taxes and are good neighbors. They are faithful members of our churches and mosques, synagogues, gurudwaras and temples. I ask you to have mercy, Mr. President, on those in our communities whose children fear that their parents will be taken away. And that you help those who are fleeing war zones and persecution in their own lands to find compassion and welcome here. Our God teaches us that we are to be merciful to the stranger, for we were all once strangers in this land. May God grant us the strength and courage to honor the dignity of every human being, to speak the truth to one another in love and walk humbly with each other and our God for the good of all people. Good of all people in this nation and the world. Amen”

She's receiving death threats now. I'm sure the Bishop would have been aware her message would create waves among MAGA, but maybe isn't as concerned for herself. If you read some of the bile on Twitter though - let's just say, a comment or two, and that's enough.

That's fairly courageous to me.

Wt makes you say that?

I'd say it's about as anti-Christian as British society is generally, or lets say, middle class British society.

I don't think people have a problem with this bishop so much because she is a Christian, it's her capture by gender ideology and willingness to sacrifice children up to it. And perhaps that is an Anglican thing, but not Christian as such.

@NotBadConsidering

You said yourself you agree with the executive order. Which part of it means “transgender children” should fear for their lives?
Why is it brave to state such an untruth but classless to call out someone who states such an untruth?

I agree with some of the tenets of the EO, not the EO itself, nor the requirement for it.

It does not deal with transgender children, yes. However, the Bishop is correct in that the direction this Administration is heading, trans people (including young people) will be demonised. She is discussing a separate issue.

There's nothing wrong with compassion, however, no one can run even a town that way, much less a nation state. There are good reasons for policies and rules, and just being kind and not bothering to enforce them undermines the whole thing.

I'm not convinced that Trump's plan here is the most sensible immediate approach, but it's very clear that there needs to be a greater control of illegal immigration, and that is going to have to mean actually enforcing rules. As long as people enter the US and are allowed to go on working, people will keep crossing the border, with all the problems that creates..

She was asking for mercy for the groups she mentioned. How can that be a divisive action to you?

However, the Bishop is correct in that the direction this Administration is heading, trans people (including young people) will be demonised.

What is your and her evidence for this bold claim?

She must be sure enough of this imaginary future problem to bring it up, and you must be sure enough to claim it here without evidence.

So what makes you and her think that?

@TempestTost

There's nothing wrong with compassion, however, no one can run even a town that way, much less a nation state. There are good reasons for policies and rules, and just being kind and not bothering to enforce them undermines the whole thing.

I'm not convinced that Trump's plan here is the most sensible immediate approach, but it's very clear that there needs to be a greater control of illegal immigration, and that is going to have to mean actually enforcing rules. As long as people enter the US and are allowed to go on working, people will keep crossing the border, with all the problems that creates..

Trump has ended political asylum. Asylum seekers are generally doing things the correct way - with documents - and are, by definition, fleeing danger in their own country. These people are often families. What are your thoughts on this move?

@NotBadConsidering

What is your and her evidence for this bold claim?
She must be sure enough of this imaginary future problem to bring it up, and you must be sure enough to claim it here without evidence.
So what makes you and her think that?

That's an easy one. It's already occurring! This vitriol here and on any social media forum. The Farms.
The absence of gender-affirming care - the spectrum of care (not surgery).
Allowing (even encouraging) discrimination and bullying against LBTQI
Making education more faith-based, and in doing so, calling being LBTQI a sin

That's just a few to get started. Trump's only been in office for a day or so. Give him time.

There's vitriol here?

That's an easy one. It's already occurring!

So she directed her sermon at Biden then, given he was in charge until 2 days ago?

This vitriol here

What vitriol?

The Farms

Are you serious?

The absence of gender-affirming care - the spectrum of care (not surgery).

How is restricting access to harmful treatments to children that have no evidence base “demonising” trans people?

Allowing (even encouraging) discrimination and bullying against LBTQI

How? What’s your evidence for this? How does an executive order about biological reality of the sexes allow or encourage discrimination or bullying against lesbians, for example? It’s protecting lesbians.

Making education more faith-based, and in doing so, calling being LBTQI a sin

Teaching gender ideology to children is faith-based. It relies on the faith-based belief in an innate gender identity and that children can change sex. Gender ideology teaches that disbelief or disagreement with it is also a sin. So you think it’s ok to teach that faith?

How does any of your supposed points clearly indicate that trans people will be demonised?

From what I understand it's "restricted" political asylum.

It's hard to know what to make of that without more details.

I think the ability to claim political asylum is important. I also think that the system used now was set up in a time when things like travel, and even the ability to make false claims, were very substantially differernt.

I don't think that system is currently working well, not just in the US, in many places. It's creating an administrative and financial burden that isn't sustainable. And if the governing classes don't find a way to address it, it's going to just collapse, or people are going to be voting in governments that no longer accept the idea of asylum even in principle.

So I am interested to see what they actually mean by that. I haven't seen any other place really come up with a good approach, it's a really difficult problem.

Thank you for posting what she said in full @JessaWoo.

Not that it will matter to those who see everything through the prism of trans. Be it from a pro or anti stance where nothing else matters.

The idea that Jesus was a woolly, fuzzy-feelings hippie who never had a bad word about anyone and simply wanted to preach love and tolerance is a modern, watered-down perception of Christianity.

Jesus Christ did preach love and tolerance. He urged his followers to leave their worldly possessions behind and follow him. He hung out with and helped the outcasts of society. He encouraged others to do the same. His anger was reserved for the rich and the powerful who exploited others. It's not a watered down perception of Christianity. It's Christianity as described in the Gospels.

@NotBadConsidering

How does any of your supposed points clearly indicate that trans people will be demonised?

I'm sorry, NotBad. If you can't see where the US is headed ideologically, I can't help you. I do suggest, though, you have a look at some of the horrible 'lesbian' comments the Bishop received from MAGA faithful, even though she is married to a man. (Primarily related to her age and appearance.)

A church wasn't the place for her to do that. Trump had to sit and listen. People voted for Trump due to his policies not Harris.

Jesus said "Be wise as serpents and innocent as doves".
In other words, don't lose your innocent good intentions, but they are not enough on their own. To do any real good you need also to engage your brain and understand the situation before you act. Otherwise you'll just end up reacting to the loudest sob-story, not the greatest need.

Do you think Jesus would have made a woman in prison share a cell with a sex offender just because the sex offender said they were a woman? Or told rape survivors who wanted same-sex counselling to "reframe their trauma"? Frankly I don't. Because those are the sort of things that happen when people rush to "be kind" without really thinking it through. And Jesus was always very respectful of women. That's one thing that really stands out about him.

She was very brave indeed.
I'm an atheist but she's my idea of a proper Christian.

You think that this bishop thinks that trans people are going to be demonised. This is your opinion on her opinion. If it’s an opinion, it’s an ideological opinion and not something based on fact.

I think what you mean by “demonised” is face the reality of their sex and the notion that people won’t be obliged to pretend they’re the opposite sex anymore. There’s a group of trans activists who have spent years following the Dentons playbook and they’re seeing all their sneaky work being undone in front of their eyes and they can’t do anything to stop it.

So their response is to mobilise their supporters, including vulnerable people who identify as trans, with claims of persecution and fear because it’s a last gasp effort of an ideology to keep hold of perceptions. All other ideologies have done it too: claim that people simply stopping believing is a sign of a godless society, only in this instance, that god is “gender identity”.

It won’t work. People who don’t believe can now not believe freely, and people who do believe will act scared, then realise that no one cares and have to move on with their lives. Life goes on.