Horrifying Republican response to Bishop's sermon

[JessaWoo]

These are tweets from Matt Walsh on X about Bishop Marian Budde and her sermon earlier today in Washington, attacking her womanhood and ability in a sexist and ageist tirade. It seems the clarion call has gone out to the rest of the Trump X minions, as they are all tweeting the same sentiments - including Kellie-Jay Keen and Donald Trump Jnr. Rep. Mike Collins całłed for her deportation, although she is American. Do you still support Trump after this?

“A liberal woman over the age of 50 with a lesbian haircut is guaranteed to support the most evil ideas and policies that mankind has ever conceived.”

“Just take one look at this witch and you know everything you need to know about her, even before she starts talking.”

“Of course this grotesque display is coming from a female “priest.” You will only ever hear heresy and inanity from someone whose whole existence is blasphemous.”

And another tweet from Bo Loudon: “🚨BREAKING: A bishop at the National Cathedrol just urged President Trump to protect transgender children and not deport illegal aliens because "they're not criminals."

Pure class from President Trump as he sat through this despicable politicization of the prayer service.”

Speech text:
““In the Name of our God, I ask you to have mercy upon the people in our country who are scared now,” Budde stated. “There are gay, lesbian, and transgender children in Democratic, Republican and independent families. Some who fear for their lives.

”The people who pick our crops and clean our office buildings, who labor in poultry farms and meat-packing plants, who wash the dishes after we eat in restaurants and work the night shifts in hospitals. They may not be citizens, or have the proper documentation, but the vast majority of immigrants are not criminals.”

Budde asked Trump “to have mercy” on people “in our communities whose children fear that their parents will be taken away and that you help those who are fleeing warzones and persecution in their own lands to find compassion and welcome here.

“Our God teaches us that we are to be merciful to the stranger, for we were all once strangers in this land,” she continued. “May God grant us the strength and courage to honor the dignity of every human being, to speak the truth to one another in love, and walk humbly with each other and our God.”

Earlier in her message, Budde stressed the importance of unity, of respectfully disagreeing with one another, but also expressed concern over what she called “the culture of contempt” and feared “the loss of equality” for some who lose in political debates.

What a horrible, divisive message this is! 🙄 Personally, I think Budde's message is courageous and beautiful, and clearly deeply Christian at its core.

'Terfs' shows where you are with this.

Women haven't consented. If you want to look to a sex class that can be more accommodating there is another one.

Which is why most terfs have had no meaningful engagement with transgender people outside of the social media space - something that feeds into the hatred and contempt they have towards them

I've known men who say they are women since the 80s. And any man who says he is a woman and who demands entry into female spaces, is a threat as much as any other man. And I don't have hatred, I simply know they are men.

It isn't our fault that the USA had to go to the lengths of electing a man who was prepared to stand up and say that these men are not women. The Democrats could have done it, although they couldn't because they are funded by the men who have been pushing this for decades. Which is the major issue here.

Republicans have used people's fear of transgender people as a political tool.

Let me fix that for you: "Republicans have used the Democrats' failure to protect women's rights as a political tool."

It would if transgender women made up 50% of the population.
However they only make up at most 0.3% of the population.

And this is where maths isn’t the strong point of trans activists.

Take that number from my post above about there being 1487 men in federal women’s prisons.

Take a conservative estimate that those 1487 men negatively impact 10 women around them during the length of their incarceration. That’s 14870 women negatively affected by these men. And given the nature of prisons, 10 is a very conservative estimate.

0.3% of the population of the USA is 1 million trans people. For argument’s sake let’s say that’s 500,000 males.

If 500,000 males each have a negative impact on just one woman over the course of their lives through anything from loss of privacy in sharing spaces, sport, enforced pronouns, violence, threats of rape online - that’s 500,000 women.

2 = one million
5 = 2.5 million
10 = 5 million

Lia Thomas: how many women? All the women he raced. All the women he watched get changed. 20? 30 possibly?

As someone said on a thread, when people claim “it’s only a small number so it’s not a problem” it suggests that there’s a number where they might consider it a problem.

Currently millions of women being negatively affected isn’t considered “enough”.

So @izimbra how many is “enough” for you?

Do you want to tell that to Katie Dolatowski's victims? Or Karen White's?

If toilets and prisons were both kept truly single-sex, neither of those cases would have happened.

If 5 million women were negatively impacted, it could be dismissed as 'just a statistic'.

If every woman was negatively impacted, it could be dismissed as normal.

The truth is that biological women just don't matter as much as transwomen to gender identity believers.

@OldCrone

What utter bollocks. What's actually happened is that many ordinary people, mainly women, have seen the dangers of allowing men to identify as women, and have campaigned, sometimes at great personal cost, to alert the rest of the population to this danger. The Democrats told us we were bigots, but it seems the Republicans were listening and have taken this on board.

It absolutely isn't bollocks to say that the Republicans have used people's fear of transgender people as a political tool. A plank of their campaign was built upon it. I don't think anyone is saying that negates the efforts and campaigns of ordinary women.

Every woman is impacted because they lose all their rights when laws are enacted using this nonsense, whether they know it or not. They will only find out when it matters. Or too late.

• It would if transgender women made up 50% of the population.

However they only make up at most 0.3% of the population.*

The number of transwomen in a given population is irrelevant to my point.

Whether single sex provision is in place is a binary issue. It is either single sex or it isn't. There could be 1 or 1 million women using the single sex provision, it only takes I male to use it (with or without a trans identity)or be entitled to use it, to render it mixed sex.

A single sex provision exists because it is deemed a proportionate means for delivering a legitimate aim. It isn't a single gender service for those who identify as women, it would be wrong to exclude transwomen if this were the case.

The case for single sex provision is widely accepted. The case for turning them in to single gender identity services isn't. Instead of trying to illegitimise well reasoned arguments for keeping single sex provision single sex, you would more likely further your cause by working on arguments that support your case for replacing single sex provision with single gender. I don't fancy your chances but they would be greatly enhanced if you deal with the actualities of what you want, rather than focus on what you perceive to be the motivations of those who oppose you.

Thing is, I don't think this is kind to the very people she thinks she's helping. It's not kind to reinforce completely invalid, overblown fears, to stoke irrational anxiety and promote division.

Neither trans people nor immigrants are at risk of state genocide in the US. It's ludicrous to suggest they are. In fact, Trump's plans will stop children being experimented on and almost certainly increase the life expectancy of this cohort overall - puberty blocking drugs and genital surgeries carry enormous risks and have terrible side effects and yes, some have died as a result. Including in the 'Dutch protocol' that started the whole thing. A previously healthy child died from complications after genital surgery. These are easily checkable facts.

It's easy to say 'ahhh, everything is terrible and Trump is evil' but you do need to have some factual basis for this or you just end up pissing people off. Stopping men from entering women's single sex spaces does not risk their lives.

She's legitimising fears which are ridiculous and by suggesting Trump wishes to actually kill people, she's also suggesting by extension the majority of US voters wish to do so, which is going to divide not unite. He has a democratic mandate, and this sort of overblown speech is likely why. Normal people having to work hard to keep a roof over their heads and food on the table are sick of elites labelling them as 'privileged' and 'bigots' whilst enacting laws that punch down and make their lives more difficult (e.g by having boys beating up their daughters in state sanctioned mixed sex sports and assaulting or flashing them in mixed sex toilets). If she'd said 'people are scared, but they need not be...' then that would have been entirely different.

Yep, Trump uses hateful rhetoric, but this is just as bad, though a bit more manipulative and less obvious. Any threats against her are reprehensible of course.

And ILLEGAL immigrants are technically criminals - the hint is in the name. It's a crime to enter a country without the correct documentation. She might not agree with that law, but it exists. I don't know any country that has completely open borders, is that what she's suggesting? I wonder how well that would go.

How can she - without laughing - talk about 'truth' and 'transgender children' in the same sermon? 'Transgender' children are lied and lied and lied to - it's all recorded on film in the case of Jazz Jennings. Parents and child not forewarned of the obvious effect puberty blockers would have on Jazz's penis and the implications for genital surgery. I'd recommend watching the bit where Jazz's parents are in shock that the surgeons are having an argument mid-surgery and the bit to camera afterwards where they said they thought the doctors knew what they were doing (but obviously from the video it was all experimental ).

Overall, it's designed to manipulate, stoke groundless anxiety and divide the nation. So not really very Christian.

For everyone suggesting Trump = armageddon - are they forgetting that Trump was president for a term and the world didn't end? At some point wandering around shouting 'the end is nigh' gets old.

Those .3% of the population managed to get women banned from mn for talking about safeguarding.

Did they?

Like the people who got prison sentences following the recent race riots were 'banged up for nothing more than criticising illegals on social media'. 🤔

FWIW I had a mate banned from mumsnet many years ago for posting the text of a breastfeeding leaflet produced by the Royal College of Midwives. It was framed as an attack on formula feeding mums. 😂 Sometimes it doesn't take much.

That said, I've seen a vast number of really cruel and contemptuous posts about transgender people, so if there's a lot of censorship going on here, it doesn't extend to stopping hateful messaging about that particular minority group.

Does anyone remember when men who wanted us to call them women instigated a whole lots of news rules on mn? We werent allowed to talk about how men with fetishes could hide within trans identities; we couldnt call them people who 'identified as' trans, we had to put a space between trans and woman because not doing so would indicate that we didnt see them as women?

Do people remember when threads were deleted and posters banned for discussing men with gender who committed sexual crimes because their gender identity wasnt relevant?

Dont talk to me about only being .whatever percent of the population and them not having any power.

The worst thing about the abuses of trans ideology isnt talking about it and how sad that makes men feel.

I do! I still pretzel my posts to fit into those guidelines because every so often some goes on a reporting streak and threads end up looking like Swiss cheese because someone has used a correct sex pronoun, or has mentioned a fetish, or has said that person is a 'man' or whatever.

And why? Because someone's philosophical belief has been given higher priority to someone else's philosophical belief.

Unlike the rioters who were jailed for throwing bricks at coppers and damaging mosques, MN users aren't actually doing anything other than talk on a forum.

It's dishonest to compare the two.

One name: Langcleg.

I still miss her.

The 0.3%!

I read the article someone posted up thread about the effect of men being housed in women's prisons. I'd recommend scrolling back up and reading it too, if you haven't already. Or possibly don't, it's quite upsetting

Anyway, this is an excerpt

Between 2018 and 2020, the Trump administration pushed back on this, asserting that biological sex should be the “initial determination” for placement, allowing for gender identity–based placement “in rare cases.” But the Biden-era Department of Justice revoked this change. At the last count on October 6, 2024, there are 1,487 incarcerated men who identify as women in federal prisons. According to the Bureau of Prisons’ own data, nearly half of transgender prisoners in women’s facilities are sex offenders—almost four times the rate of the general prison population.

It seems Trump was previously amenable to tw being housed in the female estate. Since then his stance has obviously changed. He's following public opinion, not leading it. The egregious behaviour of tras has caused this. They were warned. If they want to look for someone to blame, they should look really, really, really close to home.

Are you saying that nobody got put into jail for posting on social media?

That's the issue, women haven't consented to changes made

People will have to find another way without that

Instigated by a man who pretended to be disabled taking great offence at a very mild joke. And who then insisted that they were allowed to report posts on here, and MNHQ said they were free to report posts via Twitter even if they were not registered users.

Yeah, remember it well.

That isn’t true, who are you to decide what a Christian is? There is nothing wrong with being a Christian, there is also nothing unchristian about disagreeing with the comments of that particular person. Kindness and mercy are wonderful things, and treat people as you would like to be treated is a two way street.

I remember too and same here , I miss her as her voice was important , honest and fair

I joined MN after she was expelled, but I come across her posts in old threads from time to time. Someone with that username posted a very sensible comment under an article in Unherd that I saw.

The new president of Argentina...Milei(?) has been calling out gender ideology at Davos. That's probably MN's fault too.

And why? Because someone's philosophical belief has been given higher priority to someone else's philosophical belief.

It's not even that - it's someone's philosophical belief being given higher priority than material reality, child safeguarding and others' philosophical belief (in material reality).

And it's giving priority to philosophical beliefs of mostly men, over the need to recognise reality for safeguarding purposes of mostly women (honourable mention to some men who get it).