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cassandre · 21/01/2025 15:33

I'm sure Hitler would have been anti-trans as well.

AnnoyedAsAllHeck · 21/01/2025 15:35

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Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

But a GREAT day for WOMEN to be protected from men who try to use subterfuge to access us.

P.S. "Cis" only exists with people who want to use it to give them access to women. I am not "cis" and never have been. I am an adult human female.

Whoknew24 · 21/01/2025 15:35

It’s restored my faith that the majority do actually want common sense back.

Truly wish it could come to this country as well !.

AlisonDonut · 21/01/2025 15:35

Haroldwilson · 21/01/2025 12:51

Would you say the same if he abolished gay marriage, brought in gay military bans, banned IVF, etc etc? They're of a piece with this.

You can think what you like about trans issues, a fascist leader making policy to appease right wingers rather than provide for the rights and freedoms of individuals is a bad thing.

It's pandering to the evangelical right and I guarantee you won't like all their views, even if you like this one.

I mean he was dancing yesterday with the Village People.

CinnamonStick77 · 21/01/2025 15:35

WillowBed · 21/01/2025 15:24

Remember all the scaremongering last time Trump was elected? And then…nothing happened.

i don’t like the guy or what he stands for but tbh errs literally no evidence some of the wilder claims of what he’s going to do, on here, are likely to come to fruition.

I'm not sure it's fair to say nothing happens when prices in the US skyrocketed and women were denied life saving abortion care which has led to the death of women.

cassandre · 21/01/2025 15:35

Thanks to Trump and his followers, feminism and women's rights have been set back for years. The idea that this initiative of his is feminist is utterly laughable.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 21/01/2025 15:35

WillowBed · 21/01/2025 15:24

Remember all the scaremongering last time Trump was elected? And then…nothing happened.

i don’t like the guy or what he stands for but tbh errs literally no evidence some of the wilder claims of what he’s going to do, on here, are likely to come to fruition.

Without going into outing details, I have non FWR-related reasons to be following the wider US political landscape. The general view is that last time he appointed a cabinet of experienced experts who acted as a limit. This time he's appointing extremists who are just itching to try out their ideas.

Basically, this time it's Truss.

PickAChew · 21/01/2025 15:37

Knowitall69 · 21/01/2025 12:48

Right now, I love Trump.

Yep. That man who likes to grab women by the pussy is such an asset to us.

IDareSay · 21/01/2025 15:38

Hermyknee · 21/01/2025 13:06

Does anyone know who wrote this executive order?

https://x.com/megynkelly/status/1881702055599132934

"Confirmed it was the brilliant MayMailman of IWF (of course it was!!) along with StephenM
! WHAT A TEAM!! Forever grateful. They absolutely nailed this. Perfection."

x.com

https://x.com/megynkelly/status/1881702055599132934

duc748 · 21/01/2025 15:38

The idea that this initiative of his is feminist is utterly laughable.

So again, let me press you on this. Given that Trump is the POTUS, do you think the EO is a bad thing? Would you have preferred for Trump to do nothing?

Grammarnut · 21/01/2025 15:39

swimsong · 21/01/2025 15:23

That's not true - there can stll be a federal ban. And if not that, then other restrictions - like federal laws against crossing state lines for the purpose, federal laws against medical personnel operating on anyone out of state, federal laws against fund-raising for organisations like Planned Parenthood etc

Which would be heavily fought I suspect - and it is not that easy anyway. This EO is only for Federal institutions, states can still do what they like. Be that as it may the majority of women will be glad of this EO which effectively bans gender woo at the Federal level. At state level I think it is up to the state legislature to enable this within their borders but will operate in any Federal undertaking.

cassandre · 21/01/2025 15:40

duc748 · 21/01/2025 15:38

The idea that this initiative of his is feminist is utterly laughable.

So again, let me press you on this. Given that Trump is the POTUS, do you think the EO is a bad thing? Would you have preferred for Trump to do nothing?

Yes!

TheCatsTongue · 21/01/2025 15:41

cassandre · 21/01/2025 15:33

I'm sure Hitler would have been anti-trans as well.

He wasn't, many of the pioneering sex change surgeons were top Nazi doctors. Fascist regimes (like Iran) like to trans the gay away.

Whoknew24 · 21/01/2025 15:42

CinnamonStick77 · 21/01/2025 15:35

I'm not sure it's fair to say nothing happens when prices in the US skyrocketed and women were denied life saving abortion care which has led to the death of women.

You are factually incorrect and I suggest you go and educate yourself just now. This right here is common media brainwashing.

What actually happened was she died due to complications of the ABORTION MEDICATION she took.

The prices under him did not sky rocket again incorrect information, please educate yourself and come back.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 21/01/2025 15:43

cassandre · 21/01/2025 15:32

The fact that trans-exclusionary feminists are thrilled with Trump says it all really about trans-exclusionary feminism.

Some trans-exclusionary feminists are thrilled. Many are concerned. This is because we are a wide range of people not a groupthink block.

Your post however certainly "says it all" about how little you understand gender critical feminism. Do some research, hang around, argue with us - you might learn something!

Grammarnut · 21/01/2025 15:44

Donttellempike · 21/01/2025 15:21

Could you actually miss the point more?

Anyway. Trump has now signed an executive order rescinding any price controls on by pharma. So people who need insulin had better be rich.

Which of course I disagree with. A pity the Democrats could not have seen through gender ideology to the real damage it does women and not left it to Trump to sort the matter.
What am I missing? That you suggest that BAME and Women are exclusive categories. Are you going for 'you accept black women as women, and Lesbian women as women, so why not transwomen as women'? Easy answer, black women are women, Lesbian women are women. Transwomen are men.
Try not to be racist or homophobic?

FlirtsWithRhinos · 21/01/2025 15:48

cassandre · 21/01/2025 15:35

Thanks to Trump and his followers, feminism and women's rights have been set back for years. The idea that this initiative of his is feminist is utterly laughable.

Perhaps, but not by this specific EO. Genderism set back, almost destroyed feminism and women's rights. This EO, for now, blocks that expansionst and colonialist project. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day, and whatever the bad reasons for which he did it, this EO is still a good thing for female people.

BorgQueen · 21/01/2025 15:51

People aren’t understanding that this, although good news, isn’t going to suddenly get all Men out of Womens’ Prisons and out of Female Sport.
Federal Law ISN’T State law. The number of Women in Federal prisons is nowhere near the number in State prisons.
The loony Dem States like California and NY will still be pandering to fetishistic Men in bad wigs.
I assume the Military is under Federal control and Admiral ‘Rachel’ Levine will be out on his ear very soon though.

Cakeandcardio · 21/01/2025 15:53

Haroldwilson · 21/01/2025 12:51

Would you say the same if he abolished gay marriage, brought in gay military bans, banned IVF, etc etc? They're of a piece with this.

You can think what you like about trans issues, a fascist leader making policy to appease right wingers rather than provide for the rights and freedoms of individuals is a bad thing.

It's pandering to the evangelical right and I guarantee you won't like all their views, even if you like this one.

I agree. Very short-sighted to celebrate this. It goes hand in hand with oppression of women, which we have already seen in the anti-abortion laws.

TwooMuchLabour · 21/01/2025 15:56

Haroldwilson · 21/01/2025 12:51

Would you say the same if he abolished gay marriage, brought in gay military bans, banned IVF, etc etc? They're of a piece with this.

You can think what you like about trans issues, a fascist leader making policy to appease right wingers rather than provide for the rights and freedoms of individuals is a bad thing.

It's pandering to the evangelical right and I guarantee you won't like all their views, even if you like this one.

They're not a piece with that.

I'm a bisexual woman and I applaud this so much. It's AMAZING.

Horserider5678 · 21/01/2025 15:57

You can guarantee President Musk is behind this! He has a trans daughter who has disowned him because of his trans beliefs! Musk and Trump are not savours they are the most vile of people!

duc748 · 21/01/2025 16:00

Nobody is saying they are saviours!

cassandre · 21/01/2025 16:00

TheCatsTongue · 21/01/2025 15:41

He wasn't, many of the pioneering sex change surgeons were top Nazi doctors. Fascist regimes (like Iran) like to trans the gay away.

Forcing people to have operations in order to make them fit into one of two binary categories is emphatically NOT being pro-trans. 🙄

Hermyknee · 21/01/2025 16:02

IDareSay · 21/01/2025 15:38

https://x.com/megynkelly/status/1881702055599132934

"Confirmed it was the brilliant MayMailman of IWF (of course it was!!) along with StephenM
! WHAT A TEAM!! Forever grateful. They absolutely nailed this. Perfection."

Thank you. I thought rightly that it was written by a woman.

Catpuss66 · 21/01/2025 16:02

ClawedButler · 21/01/2025 12:52

No, LGB issues are entirely separate from TQ+ issues.

This is about recognising reality rather than pandering to individual people's feelings.

And wheeling out the tired old "everything I don't like is just like the Nazis" argument doesn't work anymore. We see through it.

Whilst I agree trans debate went too far I as a woman felt bullied.

however talking of the Nazis you must seen Musk doing a nazi salute!