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ArabellaScott · 25/01/2025 20:12

duc748 · 25/01/2025 18:18

Trump's a former Democrat himself, of course.

You what, now?!

duc748 · 25/01/2025 20:14

Whichever party best serves his interests at the time, Arabella.

Chersfrozenface · 25/01/2025 20:16

ArabellaScott · 25/01/2025 20:12

You what, now?!

Yes, Democrat between August 2001 and September 2009.

Also been affiliated to the Independence Party of New York, been an independent, and been affiliated to the Republican Party for three different periods of time.

SionnachRuadh · 25/01/2025 20:34

Musk was an Andrew Yang backer in the 2020 Democratic primary. And Joe Rogan was a big Bernie Sanders guy until quite recently.

It's pretty easy to get thrown out of the centre left by disagreeing with one or two parts of the current consensus.

ArabellaScott · 25/01/2025 20:35

SionnachRuadh · 25/01/2025 20:34

Musk was an Andrew Yang backer in the 2020 Democratic primary. And Joe Rogan was a big Bernie Sanders guy until quite recently.

It's pretty easy to get thrown out of the centre left by disagreeing with one or two parts of the current consensus.

You're not wrong.

http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5260237-am-i-a-far-right-extremist

Am I a far right extremist? | Mumsnet

I had a conversation with my best friend of 25 years the other day and she called me a far right extremist and how my views are scary, dangerous and &...

http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5260237-am-i-a-far-right-extremist

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 25/01/2025 23:01

A heads-up: the "look who you've got into bed with" posters are following a new TRA strategy to fracture British gender-critical feminists.

www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10894160.2024.2356496

Lovelyview · 25/01/2025 23:14

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 25/01/2025 23:01

A heads-up: the "look who you've got into bed with" posters are following a new TRA strategy to fracture British gender-critical feminists.

www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10894160.2024.2356496

Just skimmed this because it's late but this is fascinating. Thanks for sharing. I think the author underestimates the left wing feminist opposition to genderism in the USA and Australia but I did feel quite proud of being on Terf Island.

ArabellaScott · 25/01/2025 23:38

'Strategies designed to push back against right-wing politics can backfire when applied to left-wing campaigners. “No platforming” tactics, for example, first used against fascist speakers, have not been especially successful when applied to gender critical feminists. '

Iove the tetchy resentment!

AliceNutterWasAWoman · 25/01/2025 23:43

Butler invites us to consider: “How do we develop a counter-imaginary strong enough to expose [the anti-gender] ruse, scatter its force, and stop the efforts at censorship, distortion, and reactionary politics that it empowers? It is up to us to produce a compelling counter-vision, one that would affirm the rights and freedoms of embodied life that we can, and should, protect”

We're all ears Judy. Let's hear it

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 26/01/2025 00:08

AliceNutterWasAWoman · 25/01/2025 23:43

Butler invites us to consider: “How do we develop a counter-imaginary strong enough to expose [the anti-gender] ruse, scatter its force, and stop the efforts at censorship, distortion, and reactionary politics that it empowers? It is up to us to produce a compelling counter-vision, one that would affirm the rights and freedoms of embodied life that we can, and should, protect”

We're all ears Judy. Let's hear it

I've noticed that these people are all vague hand-waving and very sparse on concrete details.

teawamutu · 26/01/2025 13:17

I know she can be an absolute arse, but it does remind me of that bit from JCJ's The Annals of the Terf Wars:

Feminists: How the hell is the colonization of North America responsible for the creation of male and female people? And while we’re here that sounds kinda racist…

Trans activists: Two-spirit people burble burble sex is a spectrum burble clown fish burble burble intersex people burble burble some women don’t have ovaries burble social construct burble Judith Butler

(Academics with cool-girl syndrome and assorted edgelords and wokebros: JUDITH BUTLER!!!!)

Britinme · 28/01/2025 15:34

@selffellatingouroborosofhate "I've noticed that these people are all vague hand-waving and very sparse on concrete details."

Yes! I had a discussion about this with my DD the other day, and was (as a mother) quite ashamed of the fact that she was essentially hand-waving and postulating a utopian future in which all sports are done by individuals competing against their own best times (erm - how does that apply to team sports where physical risk is involved? Football? Rugby? Boxing?) We had to end the discussion (which was happening on FaceTime because we live on different continents) and my blood pressure was going through the roof.

MarieDeGournay · 28/01/2025 15:56

Britinme · 28/01/2025 15:34

@selffellatingouroborosofhate "I've noticed that these people are all vague hand-waving and very sparse on concrete details."

Yes! I had a discussion about this with my DD the other day, and was (as a mother) quite ashamed of the fact that she was essentially hand-waving and postulating a utopian future in which all sports are done by individuals competing against their own best times (erm - how does that apply to team sports where physical risk is involved? Football? Rugby? Boxing?) We had to end the discussion (which was happening on FaceTime because we live on different continents) and my blood pressure was going through the roof.

Having read your post, Britinme, I feel a wave of retrospective shame about things I said to my parents when I was young - sometimes it came down simply to 'What did they just say? OK I'll say the opposite, then. Even though I know deep down it's wrong...'😕

I'm glad to say that before she died, I had the opportunity to apologise to my poor mother for hounding her all through my adolescence about saying 'fillum' [Hiberno-English pronunciation] instead of 'film' [Standard English pronunciation] - she was either [a] very gracious [b] had forgotten all about it or [c] thought 'And that's what you think is worth apologising for from your teenage years??'😄

Britinme · 28/01/2025 16:15

Well my daughter is almost 43 with two children of her own, and is a highly intelligent woman who is a psychotherapist, so we're not talking adolescent here! She said my boomerism was showing...

I think she's probably not very well informed in this area, and sadly isn't willing to discuss it in any detail, so it's probably going to be one of those things we don't discuss, as it is with another friend of mine over here who thinks being trans is like being gay and one of those things a person doesn't have a choice over and therefore we just have to accommodate men who identify as women.

Cailleach1 · 28/01/2025 22:36

@Britinme “She said my boomerism was showing... “.

Your 43 year old daughter said that to you, and she is also a mother to two children😱. You should have told her to check her ageism. That it is such a micro aggression. At least she didn’t call you a ‘Karen’, I suppose. You might inform her that with age comes wisdom, allegedly.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 28/01/2025 23:14

Britinme · 28/01/2025 15:34

@selffellatingouroborosofhate "I've noticed that these people are all vague hand-waving and very sparse on concrete details."

Yes! I had a discussion about this with my DD the other day, and was (as a mother) quite ashamed of the fact that she was essentially hand-waving and postulating a utopian future in which all sports are done by individuals competing against their own best times (erm - how does that apply to team sports where physical risk is involved? Football? Rugby? Boxing?) We had to end the discussion (which was happening on FaceTime because we live on different continents) and my blood pressure was going through the roof.

individuals competing against their own best times

Sure, because no one will set crap "best" times on purpose to cheat that system. 🙄

Robogob · 28/01/2025 23:44

Fucking hell he can’t win can he? He’s banishing the gender woo and deporting sexual predators and he’s only been in office for a few weeks.

The exact opposite of Starmer, who is still sticking with TWAW and released hundreds of violent men back early into the streets!

HellyTS · 29/01/2025 00:26

Robogob · 28/01/2025 23:44

Fucking hell he can’t win can he? He’s banishing the gender woo and deporting sexual predators and he’s only been in office for a few weeks.

The exact opposite of Starmer, who is still sticking with TWAW and released hundreds of violent men back early into the streets!

The exact opposite of Starmer, who released hundreds of violent men back early into the streets!

Did you miss this?

https://www.markey.senate.gov/news/press-releases/senator-markey-decries-trump-pardons-for-violent-january-6-insurrectionists

Senator Markey Decries Trump Pardons for Violent January 6 Insurrectionists | U.S. Senator Ed Markey of Massachusetts

Washington (January 28, 2025) - Senator Edward J. Markey (D-Mass.) released the following statement...

https://www.markey.senate.gov/news/press-releases/senator-markey-decries-trump-pardons-for-violent-january-6-insurrectionists

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