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Trump announces executive order that says legally there are only 2 genders (hmmm did he mis-speak and meant sex?)

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IwantToRetire · 20/01/2025 17:39

Well this will add to the confusion.

Have just heard him use the word gender, even though earlier news reports had said he would say only 2 sexes.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/trump-sign-order-proclaiming-only-160700963.html

Trump to sign order proclaiming there are only two sexes

Donald Trump's government is set to recognise only two genders, male and female. The move will come as part of a swathe of executive orders the incoming president will sign on his first day back in the White House. It is one of two branded as "common...

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/trump-sign-order-proclaiming-only-160700963.html

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leftorrightnow · 20/01/2025 21:50

myplace · 20/01/2025 21:47

I don’t understand? It’s as though we are speaking a different language.

Would it reassure you to know that I’d didn’t vote for him, what with not being American?

Literally all I’m saying is, ‘Great, he got one thing right!’.

Why don’t you want us to say that? The man’s a freaking nightmare, who happened to say one good thing today.

because this man is so much more seriously bad news than a lot of people realise. To me it’s a bit like saying yeah the holocaust was bad but Hitler had it right on public transport. Don’t give him any points or any grace.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/01/2025 21:51

Omg yes! Because we all we know that in a world facing a climate change disaster, multiple wars and vast inequality globally and within the US, both in terms of genders and ethnicity and classes, all we need is to stop people from legally changing their genders.

It's a deeply unpopular luxury belief globally. Blame the people in the party you support for cheerleading that idiocy and handing Trump an open goal 🙄

LifeExperience · 20/01/2025 21:52

IwantToRetire · 20/01/2025 21:17

Seriously - do you think any of us are that niave.

A man who talks about buying Greenland and taking back the Panama Canal .............

But maybe you are new to FWR.

It is quite possible but for totally different reasons anyone might like a policy from someone they have not respect for.

The problem is, as has been said on virtually every thread on FWR, is that the left, or whatever the Democrats are meant to be (as also so called Labour in the UK) have totally sold out women's rights.

This is a forum called Feminism and Women's Rights.

If by reasons that aren't shared someone brings into law the reality of biological sex, are you saying we should not be interested, if like that, because everything else is problematic to say the least.

Or is it, that as usual women are expected to put their rights as never ever being as important as any other group that is consistently discriminated against.

Dont blame women, or even Trump for that matter, for the failure of the left and liberal political parties.

He is not the first US President to want Greenland. Greenland is in a strategic location for missile defense protection of the US east coast, just as Alaska is for the west coast. If we have Greenland we don't need NATO. And I say that as a retired American military officer who had more than a passing acquaintance with US strategic planning. And we don't have to buy Greenland. All we need to do is let the people of Greenland have a part of the proceeds from their oil and mineral sales, just like the people of Alaska do. Egede has already signaled that Greenland is open to the idea.

We gave the Panama Canal to Panama with the condition that they control it in perpetuity. They are now letting the Chinese control it. No way is that going to fly, not in our hemisphere. Trump doesn't want the canal. He wants Panama to live up to the deal, and if they won't he will take it back per the terms of the treaty.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 20/01/2025 21:52

myplace · 20/01/2025 21:49

I mean I could shout back?!
“OMG this drives me nuts, people coming on here are saying Trump is awesome and sent by God and gonna change the world and make America great again, just cause he knows what a woman is…!”

Which literally no one has said have they?

poster after poster has said (and I paraphrase) trump is a cunt and a disaster for pretty much everything but about this one single thing he’s right

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/01/2025 21:55

I think people don't wish to admit that leftist politicians are getting it badly wrong pushing this bullshit on unwilling populations.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 20/01/2025 21:55

leftorrightnow · 20/01/2025 21:50

because this man is so much more seriously bad news than a lot of people realise. To me it’s a bit like saying yeah the holocaust was bad but Hitler had it right on public transport. Don’t give him any points or any grace.

Edited

No we do realise. He shouldn’t be in charge of scissors let alone a country. I’m aghast that as a convicted felon he’s even allowed to be president. The fact that millions of Americans freely voted for him renders me speechless

he’s still right about biological reality

leftorrightnow · 20/01/2025 21:56

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/01/2025 21:51

Omg yes! Because we all we know that in a world facing a climate change disaster, multiple wars and vast inequality globally and within the US, both in terms of genders and ethnicity and classes, all we need is to stop people from legally changing their genders.

It's a deeply unpopular luxury belief globally. Blame the people in the party you support for cheerleading that idiocy and handing Trump an open goal 🙄

It’s not a luxury belief. Lots of cultures had several genders including many indigenous cultures (such as two spirit for the native Americans Indians, the people who lived in the “vast barren land” that trump talked about, did you notice he didn’t mention the Indigenous population of the US with one word in his inauguration speech? Apparently the country began with the cowboys). Homophobia arrived on the boats, as they say.

but yes, I get most people’s minds can’t hold that notion so yes if I’d been the advisor of the democrats I’d had told them to tune the pro lgbt agenda down too

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/01/2025 21:57

but yes, I get most people’s minds can’t hold that notion

Because it's nonsense. Hope that helps.

myplace · 20/01/2025 21:57

Theeyeballsinthesky · 20/01/2025 21:52

Which literally no one has said have they?

poster after poster has said (and I paraphrase) trump is a cunt and a disaster for pretty much everything but about this one single thing he’s right

Yes, I was parodying leftorrightnow’s style of accusing us of things we haven’t done.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 20/01/2025 21:58

Ah the old “two spirit” appropriation

I see now that this is not your first rodeo and this is in fact just the usual “you bad women it’s all your fault fir not just letting TRA having their own way”

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/01/2025 21:58

And it absolutely is a luxury belief, and harmful to women, girls and the other people in your glib little acronym.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 20/01/2025 21:58

myplace · 20/01/2025 21:57

Yes, I was parodying leftorrightnow’s style of accusing us of things we haven’t done.

Sorry! My bad

leftorrightnow · 20/01/2025 21:59

Theeyeballsinthesky · 20/01/2025 21:55

No we do realise. He shouldn’t be in charge of scissors let alone a country. I’m aghast that as a convicted felon he’s even allowed to be president. The fact that millions of Americans freely voted for him renders me speechless

he’s still right about biological reality

yes but the left has never said there is more than one sex! They said there’s more than one gender.

if he said water is wet perhaps people would also go that’s amazing he’s right.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/01/2025 21:59

see now that this is not your first rodeo

You'd think they'd have saddled up a better horse, to continue the analogy.

Boiledbeetle · 20/01/2025 21:59

leftorrightnow · 20/01/2025 21:50

because this man is so much more seriously bad news than a lot of people realise. To me it’s a bit like saying yeah the holocaust was bad but Hitler had it right on public transport. Don’t give him any points or any grace.

Edited

As this a British site so about 99% of the people on this thread in the Feminism and Women's Rights board weren't actually able to vote in the American Presidential election can you please stop talking at us like we are uneducated idiots?

Are we not allowed to talk about anything American related for the next few years if it's all going to be misinterpreted through your "aghhhhh you agreed with Trump, you know he hates women, he is bad bad news how can you give him airtime, or dare to agree with anything that comes out of his mouth" lens?

Most of us agree Trump is not good for women. HOWEVER on this one issue I agree with Trump, there is only two sexes. That does not mean I want to bow down and kiss his feet.

leftorrightnow · 20/01/2025 22:00

Theeyeballsinthesky · 20/01/2025 21:58

Ah the old “two spirit” appropriation

I see now that this is not your first rodeo and this is in fact just the usual “you bad women it’s all your fault fir not just letting TRA having their own way”

What appropriation. Have you ever spoken to indigenous peoples themselves about this? I have.

myplace · 20/01/2025 22:00

leftorrightnow · 20/01/2025 21:56

It’s not a luxury belief. Lots of cultures had several genders including many indigenous cultures (such as two spirit for the native Americans Indians, the people who lived in the “vast barren land” that trump talked about, did you notice he didn’t mention the Indigenous population of the US with one word in his inauguration speech? Apparently the country began with the cowboys). Homophobia arrived on the boats, as they say.

but yes, I get most people’s minds can’t hold that notion so yes if I’d been the advisor of the democrats I’d had told them to tune the pro lgbt agenda down too

Yes but they didn’t do radical mastectomies on children, did they?

You've lost all credibility now. Lost in your own panic, you can’t see you’re arguing with the wrong people. Trump is a regressive, ecological nightmare who should be in prison. As the loony left have given him a government they’ll need to work out what to do about it.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/01/2025 22:01

yes but the left has never said there is more than one sex! They said there’s more than one gender.

Do people play sports with their "gender"? Does a social construct based on sex stereotypes mean you are safer with one man than another?

BaronessEllarawrosaurus · 20/01/2025 22:01

It's interesting but I really don't think the left sees how much damage is done to women's rights when you can't define a woman as a biological reality. If anyone can be a woman then you are free to discriminate against the women who are capable of bearing young. Funnily enough there's lots of evidence of that happening. Women's rights were dying in America no matter who won the election

KarlaKK · 20/01/2025 22:01

EmpressoftheMundane · 20/01/2025 18:07

Gender and sex were interchangeable 15 years ago. He is dialing it back to that time.

Is that true? Not doubting you but I'm 60 this year and I asked my mother when I was about 12 what the difference between sex and gender was and she said your sex was male or female and determined by your chromosomes and genitals while your gender was when a transvestite man wanted to be a woman and dressed as one - i.e. he wanted to change his gender but couldn't change his sex. I always use sex and in reports change "gender" to "sex" when appropriate. I've never known the words to be interchangeable even though the US does use gender as they're a bit prudish - i.e. gender reveal when it is a sex reveal.

leftorrightnow · 20/01/2025 22:03

Boiledbeetle · 20/01/2025 21:59

As this a British site so about 99% of the people on this thread in the Feminism and Women's Rights board weren't actually able to vote in the American Presidential election can you please stop talking at us like we are uneducated idiots?

Are we not allowed to talk about anything American related for the next few years if it's all going to be misinterpreted through your "aghhhhh you agreed with Trump, you know he hates women, he is bad bad news how can you give him airtime, or dare to agree with anything that comes out of his mouth" lens?

Most of us agree Trump is not good for women. HOWEVER on this one issue I agree with Trump, there is only two sexes. That does not mean I want to bow down and kiss his feet.

you’re allowed to discuss and say whatever you want. Just realise the powers you feed when you do it. This is now an interconnected reality and with Elon trolling and manipulating British politics, things aren’t as simple as that. Litte elon trolls would read this and smile, trust me

Boiledbeetle · 20/01/2025 22:04

Zzzzzz

leftorrightnow · 20/01/2025 22:06

myplace · 20/01/2025 22:00

Yes but they didn’t do radical mastectomies on children, did they?

You've lost all credibility now. Lost in your own panic, you can’t see you’re arguing with the wrong people. Trump is a regressive, ecological nightmare who should be in prison. As the loony left have given him a government they’ll need to work out what to do about it.

all the agendas are mixed up and this is exactly part of trumps strategy and what’s brought him to power. Mashing all isusss together and creating confusion, saying stuff that people can’t help to agree with and then tagging it on to wildly different agendas. You’re all buying into it.

when a demagogues speaks and you know he’s about to lead the country and the world in a bad direction, don’t make the mistake of focusing on the one thing you agree with him
on. That will feed the wrong development. The wrong algorithms. And your time could be better spend. As could mine So checking out now.

i hope you’ll all pay close attention to what trump says and does on women’s rights and spend time opposing that - especially if it’s picked up on in this country through Elon’s interference in UK politics

myplace · 20/01/2025 22:11

leftorrightnow · 20/01/2025 22:06

all the agendas are mixed up and this is exactly part of trumps strategy and what’s brought him to power. Mashing all isusss together and creating confusion, saying stuff that people can’t help to agree with and then tagging it on to wildly different agendas. You’re all buying into it.

when a demagogues speaks and you know he’s about to lead the country and the world in a bad direction, don’t make the mistake of focusing on the one thing you agree with him
on. That will feed the wrong development. The wrong algorithms. And your time could be better spend. As could mine So checking out now.

i hope you’ll all pay close attention to what trump says and does on women’s rights and spend time opposing that - especially if it’s picked up on in this country through Elon’s interference in UK politics

Edited

No we aren’t.

Boiledbeetle · 20/01/2025 22:12

Line up all those ladies now shamed into penitence.

Repent Repent.

You must repent!

Free ashes with every sackcloth.

Trump announces executive order that says legally there are only 2 genders (hmmm did he mis-speak and meant sex?)
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