Trump announces executive order that says legally there are only 2 genders (hmmm did he mis-speak and meant sex?)

[IwantToRetire]

Well this will add to the confusion.

Have just heard him use the word gender, even though earlier news reports had said he would say only 2 sexes.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/trump-sign-order-proclaiming-only-160700963.html

Only two sexes.
A few indigenous cultures had niches in society for men who did not fit macho gender stereotypes/were homosexual. But they were not thought to have turned into women. Only two sexes.

We're not buying into Trump's "agenda".
We support the EO regarding the reality of sex because recognition of the reality of sex is fundamental to women's rights.

We would support an EO like that if Kamala Harris had won and put it forward. But the left has decided that male people 's wants trump women's needs.

I for one have been definitively shamed by the semi-literate scolding. I embrace the Omnicause and promise to consult AOC/LOJ before I do anything ever again.

You can have a free sackcloth, and free ashes!

@leftorrightnow
i hope you’ll all pay close attention to what trump says and does on women’s rights and spend time opposing that
I'll leave that to the Americans. You know, the ones who had the vote and therefore the ability to do anything about it.

BTW, how much blame do you lay at the feet of the Democrats for all of this?

I would rather have a tambourine please 😬

I mean. He also said he’s going to paint the Stars and Stripes onto Mars so I wouldn’t put any weight on anything he says. Absolute cretin

I would rather have a tambourine please

You don't get a tambourine until you demonstrate you can make others repent

There you go.

Just don't be telling anyone where you got it.

excatly

Has anyone seen or heard any explanation of how this EO will be effected? The wording upthread doesn't indicate anything retrospective, so what happens to all the driving licences and passports issued in "acquired genders". Will everyone applying for a passport have to produce some kind of medical test to prove their sex? Or original birth certificates only?

I am hoping this is a positive development in the terrifying place that is Trump2 (send me some sacks Beetle) but my mind is boggling at the practicalities.

@Boiledbeetle OMG THANK YOU!!!!

@Ereshkigalangcleg - You don't get a tambourine until you demonstrate you can make others repent

shakes the tambourine in Eresh's face Repent!! 😈

As I said on another thread, Executive Orders are applicable to the Federal branch of government only and only provide (limited) instructions to Federal Officers. They do not affect existing legislation nor can they enact laws.

That is why this particular EO is limited in scope and does not mention ending puberty blockers for children, etc. That may require legislation and/or state determined guidance.

It was definitely an own goal by the Democrats.

So busy virtue signalling they lost the bloody election and have exposed the world to another Trump presidency. They could’ve dialled it back, done some critical thinking around impacts on women and safeguarding children. Better supported gender questioning youth. But no.

This wasn’t the main reason for his election but it was a significant one.

Minor point, but drug regulation is a Federal responsibility, handled by the FDA (Food and Drug Administration).

Well done for misunderstanding my point.

If the Democrat run such a bad campaign, whether because of betraying women, or being so smug but ineffective, that Trump won, what are those of us not in the US supposed to do.

If one part of it as having the US make it law that sex is biology that it positive.

You are aware are you of the ordeals of women who have been forced to endure, and worse, the imposition of trans women on them, in refuges, sport, prison, hospital.

All these bad things that are Trumps agenda, isn't women's fault, or any of us who want women's sex based rights.

It is the fault of the approximately 8 million democrats who could have voted as they did last time, but just didn't bother. Trump didn't win. His vote was virtually the same as the last election when he lost.

Those of us who aren't in the US have to suffer the consequences of his win.

So instead of asking us to read a HRW report why not ask Americans why they have done this to the world.

And HRW aren't exactly top of anyone's reading list for accurate assessments.

Self congratulatory virtue signalling is probably what made the Democrats lose their voters.

but that doesn’t mean we should confuse trump with a win for women’s rights. He’s the opposite.

My goodness me, thank heavens you told me.

I would never have worked this out for myself.

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I really thought FWR had managed to lose all the usual suspects who make every thread a ground hog day.

But it seems others have popped up to take on the serious task of lecturing us dimwits on this forum.

I think it's not just because they are polite, it's because the idea of gender is pretty meaningless unless it is referencing the sexes.

I agree @TempestTost I think people are projecting their understanding of the gender identity wars here. People who don't adhere to it don't necessarily refer to sex, they use the two terms interchangeably. It doesn't mean they think men can have woman "gender", they just don't see the difference.

The DEI program in the US has set the civil rights movement back decades, and attempted to enshrine the principle that it's a good idea to treat people differently based on their unalterable characteristics.

It's a terrible ideology, supported by white middle class university grads more than the people it's supposed to help.

Because of the problems I have been having with MN, I have only just been able to read page 5.

Dont know whether to laugh or cry.

To think someone thinks FWR (only one forum of a very big site) had as much influence as Musk.

Is that the accolade of all time?

Had I read p5, I wouldn't have bothered to respond, as others have clearly laid out the search ridiculousness of trying to make one (what was meant to be humous) thread an indication that all of mumsnet has fallen to the thrall of a clearly deeply egotistical man with no grasp on real life.

The problem is all those who give in to his delusions, and those who voted him in.

The biggest issue is why is the US public so discontented with the Democrats, and what can they do during the next 4 years to place restraints of Trump, and work out how to win the next Presidential election.

And fantastic as it is to have it implied that FWR is as listened to as Elon, I think we all know that we aren't.

But maybe this highly insulting hectoring is exactly why Trump won.

In the meantime, as interested observers of other countries, particularly one with the global media influence it has, it will be instructive to see how the administration brings about this Executive Order.

I suspect (if it is allowable) their will be a well funded legal challenge.

Executive orders allow a president to wield power without action from Congress. But there are also limits to what orders can achieve.

Basically, they are signed statements about how the president wants the federal government to be managed. They can be instructions to federal agencies or requests for reports.

, the orders do not require congressional approval and can’t be directly overturned by lawmakers. Still, Congress could block an order from being fulfilled by removing funding or creating other hurdles.

Many of Trump’s measures are likely to draw Democratic opposition.

And in several major cases, the orders will largely be statements of intent based off campaign promises made by Trump.
There are limits to the power of executive orders

Both Congress and the courts can potentially block executive orders.

Congress can also deny funding to agencies and hamstring the enforcement of an order.

There are also legal challenges based on the argument that a president exceeded his legal authorities.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-is-an-executive-order-a-look-at-trumps-tool-for-quickly-reshaping-government

I don't think Elon Musk is nearly as influential as some believe.

People listen to him, but I don't think they agree because of who he is. If they agree, it's just that they agree.

Many don't agree with him about much. And aren't afraid to say it.

MN probably changes more minds, when it's all said and done.

I think there is a really significant tendency to assume stuff that Trump says is all nuts. If he says it, people on the left will assume it's really bad.

Sometimes to the point that they change their minds to contradict his ideas, like with COVID.

Part of it - maybe a lot of it - is the weird way he talks about things.

I think what usually happens is the person said to have the most influence is the one that msm and tv news have decided to promote.

(As I often say!) twitterX is in fact one of the very smallest social media platforms, but for some reason msm and news programmes report about it as though it was the most used, most read, most commented on. Which not only it never was, but recent changes means that many cant read it let alone comment.

What is the motive for them to do that. If they really wanted to know what the majority are saying or thinking they should be publicising what is being said on facebook.

If only FWR could be like twitter, and eager (or is that lazy) journalists were reading every thread ready to print headline breaking news about another FWR storm from which they publish selected quotes.