Three-day ban on Reddit for “hate”

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The only thing I can think of is posting on a UK sub about male violence. A man said that it’s not just men who have a problem with being violent because he’d been assaulted by a trans woman. I replied, “how did you know your assailant was trans?”.

They literally have subs for men to masturbate to videos of women who have a look of being “dead behind the eyes” they’ve been abused so much.

(It’s either that or somebody doesn’t like my crochet advice).

I remember reading this and at the time thinking ‘no shit Sherlock’. It was showing that when it came down to choosing a sexual partner, the sex category continued to be an over riding factor.

“The vast majority of lesbian women are trans inclusive; they welcome trans women into lesbian spaces and they wholeheartedly reject “gender critical” ideologies.”

Can we please have the evidence that supports this claim?

Ensuring that definitions of ‘lesbian’ is also clear in the evidence and supports the evidence.

Oh and that ‘gender critical ideology/ies’ are defined as well.

I believe that if you ask every lesbian in the UK whether they believe that a human can change the sex category of their body from being formed around the production of large gametes to being formed around the production of small gametes, or vice versa, that you will find they don’t believe a human can do this.

I also believe if you ask them questions around this that demonstrated the limits of their support of male people in particular being allowed to access female single sex spaces and opportunities that the results for these deeper questions will show the limit of support for male people.

And as the research showed in what eresh posted, when it comes to full acceptance of male people as a sex partner, I cannot imagine that the results of survey data or even observational data for all lesbian women in the UK would be different to that which eresh has presented.

Because some people claim ‘gender critical’ beliefs are not held by the majority of the population because they have a prejudiced view of what ‘gender critical’ beliefs are. And yet, when the beliefs are used in questions, it is continues to reliably represent the majority of the UK population (and other countries too).

If there is evidence to support the claim, please link it up. Otherwise, anyone making this claim is doing so purely based on their own opinion, nothing more.

This would be a great point if lesbian communities exclusively for female lesbians and not male ones were actually allowed to exist instead of being instantly shut down.

Why do you think they are shut down?

You say a lesbian is a woman attracted to other women.

So to be clear on the background facts, you’re a lesbian @Lostcat and you see being a woman as a feeling in your/anyone’s head and a penis is completely irrelevant to your definition of woman. That is, if a man with a penis feels they’re a woman, then that’s enough to make them a woman. Therefore, as a lesbian, you are happy to date/have sex with a woman with a penis. Further, that ‘being supportive’ is based on believing that the penis completely irrelevant to being a woman/being defined as a lesbian. On the other hand, women who reject the notion that someone who has a penis can be a woman are not very nice.

Going by your comments, I think that’s a fair presentation of your position on these matters. And, given the above, I’m assuming (which is always a reach) that you post here on FWR to reprimand women who think having a penis makes someone a man and/or to correct wrong thinking. Is that also a fair representation of your position?

I wonder whether these lesbian respondents are actual lesbians, or if they're transw. We've seen a couple of stories about TW being sent on dates with other TW and their angry reactions; it's perfectly clear that the know what's what.

It's not difficult to divine that it would be in the interest to pose as genuine lesbians and say that they welcome TW as potential sexual partners, deliberately giving an impression that actual lesbians are happy with that scenario.

Anyone can claim to be anything online and as we all know, self selecting online surveys can produce highly skewed results, which bear no resemblance to the reality of the situation.

And if it's face to face, women are more likely to acquiesce, rather than being on the end of a tirade and to risk ostracism, or assault

I remember reading this and at the time thinking ‘no shit Sherlock’. It was showing that when it came down to choosing a sexual partner, the sex category continued to be an over riding factor.

Indeed.

What did she do?
She developed really strong and prejudiced/ hateful ideas about trans people. She previously had no issue with people who are trans.

Yes, my friend found it disturbing as she is supportive of trans people.

I’m enjoying people on this thread tying themselves I knots desperately trying to pretend that the majority of (non-trans) lesbian women are gender critical and want trans women excluded from their spaces 😂.

A bit like their obsessive ideas about sex- just nothing to do with reality.

Like what? Can you tell us? You’re not particularly forthcoming with details, are you?

Personally I’m enjoying someone laying out the homophobia of trans ideology for all the lurkers to see. Operation Let Them Speak.

She developed strong and prejudicial ideas about trans people- exactly like yours that you like to share on every thread about trans issues.

Like what? Can you tell us? You’re not particularly forthcoming with details, are you?

I’m enjoying people on this thread tying themselves I knots desperately trying to pretend that the majority of (non-trans) lesbian women are gender critical and want trans women excluded from their spaces 😂.

Likewise, I'm enjoying you tying yourself up in knots desperately pretending that most people see "trans women" as women. When they clearly do not. It's all perspective I guess

You know lurkers can read this thread. That can see the evidence which has been provided by posters here and see you just shouting in the wind but refusing to back up your assertions.

I mean crack on by all means, but you don’t do your cause any favours to be honest (it was a poster just like you that peaked me years ago actually. Same rhetoric, same lack of evidence, very liberal with insults and calling people bigots and transphobes).

Read your own posts :).

lol what evidence? Some data on who sleeps with who?

I don’t think even Lost believes trans women are women, or they wouldn’t be arguing so vehemently about it. Not least that Lost thinks all the other women should bend over backwards to accommodate but doesn’t expect concessions from trans women.

Different ‘women’, different standards.

Can you give examples? There are a lot.

If I say, for example, “Lostcat is posting homophobic content by claiming men can be lesbians” would that be one of my own posts that would be a worthy example?

Well yes, it is about sexual attraction after all.

Or when you tried to claim that Reddit was a great example of ‘trans inclusion to lesbian communities’ and it turned out that half the posters on those boards are trans women.

What evidence do you bring to the table to prove lesbians are welcoming men who think they are women into their spaces willingly and happily? Will date lesbians with dicks equally to actual women? You must have something you can share?

by claiming men can be lesbians

Are you referring to trans women who are lesbians? If so (which I know you are) well done this is a perfect example of:).
There are lots of others- try another example.

Are we now meant to believe that lesbians have opinions about the ability of humans to change sex that is completely opposite to the rest of the UK population ?

Is that what you are saying?

I don’t think ever Lost believes trans women are women, or they wouldn’t be arguing so vehemently about it.

None of these people do.

Lostcat thinks everything and everyone is transphobic but also can't define what trans identity is.

So your sister sees trans women as men and refuses to say they can be lesbians? And that’s the hateful things she learnt?

I’d like to meet your sister. She seems to be the sensible one in your family.

Doesn’t Lostcat have post graduate qualifications in this topic? Or am I misremembering?

And if I am correct, surely Lostcat has access to evidence that will be convincing support for their points of view.