Three-day ban on Reddit for “hate”

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The only thing I can think of is posting on a UK sub about male violence. A man said that it’s not just men who have a problem with being violent because he’d been assaulted by a trans woman. I replied, “how did you know your assailant was trans?”.

They literally have subs for men to masturbate to videos of women who have a look of being “dead behind the eyes” they’ve been abused so much.

(It’s either that or somebody doesn’t like my crochet advice).

Lostcat thinks everything and everyone is transphobic but also can't define what trans identity is.

Lost is not unusual in that by any means. It's not a bug, it's a feature of this movement.

A rite of passage 🥳 Congrats

And if I am correct, surely Lostcat has access to evidence that will be convincing support for their points of view.

That would be great. A first. looking forward to it!

My evidence wasn’t Reddit it was a yougov poll. Of course you all rejected it, the way you always do when presented with evidence of stuff.
if you want some more evidence of lesbians’ attitudes, feel free look it up yourself .

or continue to believe that most lesbians are gender critical and want to exclude trans women from their spaces if holding false and delusional ideas gives your comfort.

It Doesn’t have anything to do with the real world though. 💁🏼‍♀️

It isn't proof that they actually think of "trans women" as women, they clearly don't.

Hateful ideas like "defining womanhood as a state of mind is harmful to the rights and protections of female people"?

Like "Sex exists and has a material effect on women(1)'s lives that trans women do not have to deal with"?

Like "Opening up the rights and protections intended to support female people in a sexist society to men(1) who believe something in their mind makes them a woman is sexist and demeaning to women(1)"?

Like "Saying the fundamental difference between men and women isn't that we have different bodies, it's that we have different minds" is really sexist and old fashioned?

Like "If it is right and fair that laws and conventions that were put in place to protect and support female should be extended to include men(1) who believe they think like women(1) this should be done openly by making a fair case as to why these men(1) need the same resources and showing that their inclusion does not reduce the effectiveness of these things to the women(1) they exist to support, not covertly by changing the definition of the word "woman" to include men(1) and then saying "well they are women so that means they are entitled to anything women are entitled to" ?

Ideas, in fact, that are only "hateful" if you believe it's hateful for women(1) to say no to men(1) when men(1) want sonething that women(1) have?

(1) Original sex based meaning

They accept trans women within their definitions of women and lesbian.

Yes, all that ‘proof’ ‘proved’ was that women, and lesbians in particular, are supportive of trans women. Not anything about them believing that men can become women or even more pertinently, they can become lesbians.

I can be supportive of Christians or Muslims having a faith and have a generally good view of those individuals - I don’t suddenly think God is real though.

Can you show us where it says that? Highlight it for the ones of us who are clearly missing this.

Reddit has always been a safe heaven for women-haters. I am not surprised they went full on TRA too. It was bound to happen.

If you want evidence of what the majority of the U.K. thinks about males identifying as females and whether they should be treated as women, YouGov has that too.

Spoiler: they are vaguely supportive in a wishy washy way, but they don't support most things trans rights activists demand.

They accept trans women within their definitions of women and lesbian.

lol no.

@Ereshkigalangcleg perspective indeed!

There are 950k users across the subreddits r/gaybros and r/AskGaybros however the difference is they are self moderated groups, and the open honesty around non males/FtM in gay spaces is completely different to conversations in the TRA infiltrated womens groups where MtFs insisted on inserting themselves as moderators.

To quote a member of rAskGaybros who were called TERFs on a thread due to their refusal to acknowledge Trans men as men (apparently unlike the more trans supportive r/actuallesbians):

"There's probably more c*ck in Actuallesbians than there is in here."

Definitely no. You'd have to search a long time to find a lesbian who actually thinks twaw

The question here was:

How positively or negatively would you say the following view transgender people?

It says absolutely does not show that the majority of lesbians agree that male people with transgender identities are lesbian.

Nor does it say that the majority of lesbians believe that humans can change sex.

It also does not indicate that viewing positively means that these female respondents accept any male people into female single sex spaces, opportunities or sports.

It seems that you, personally, have put all these judgements on that single sentence to come up with claims you simply cannot support with evidence.

Here is the data behind the article if anyone is interested.

https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/YouGov_-__LG_B_and_T_perceptions_LGBTQplus_sample.pdf

It is a very blunt collection instrument that simply asks for the respondents positive or negative feelings about people with transgender identities (and note, that this is not separated into 'male trans people' or 'female trans people') and whether the respondents think their family, friends and the wider society have positive or negative feelings.

Again, it certainly does not separate out the transgender question into what people think about male transgender people or female transgender people.

It could be said that lesbian people have a completely different 'feeling' towards male transgender people and female transgender people. Thing is, this poll did not test any of that.

Where? In that yougov poll? Where it asked this question:

'How positively or negatively would you say the following view transgender people?'

Is this what you believe has indicated that the majority of lesbians in the UK accept transwomen as women and lesbian? Really?

Why? Most of their members are men.

Even Nancy Kelley who thinks it is sexual racism not to accept trans women as potential partners does not appear to have actually had a sexual relationship with one herself.

To quote a member of rAskGaybros who were called TERFs on a thread due to their refusal to acknowledge Trans men as men (apparently unlike the more trans supportive r/actuallesbians):

"There's probably more c*ck in Actuallesbians than there is in here."

I like his style @Tomatocutwithazigzagedge

The image CountZacular posted is quite blurry, so I looked for the image or data, and found the generator, with which the comparison was made.
Here's the raw data for the poster overlap of r/actuallesbians, that was used to create the graph:
https://subredditstats.com/subreddit-user-overlaps/actuallesbians
There are a number of Subreddits with "UK" in their names, but most of them have a comparator of less than 1 i. e. users of /actuallesbians are less likely to post on these groups. Does that mean that users of /actuallesbians take a detour around terf island? 😁

Prejudice shows in statements where some posters wish to portray people who believe that humans cannot change sex and that no male person can ever experience life as a 'woman' as being people who do not 'support' transgender people.

The truth is that many people can 'support' transgender people's rights where they don't harm any other group's rights and those same people can disagree that those transgender people have changed sex and disagree that any male person should have access to single sex provision or should describe themselves as women or girls.

And since when does someone on this thread's idea of 'sex' have nothing to do with reality?

This post encapsulates nicely the disconnected thinking that some people have when it comes to gender identities.

On one hand insisting that a poll that certainly cannot be extrapolated out to indicate the claims made on this thread is strong 'evidence'.

As can be seen with this post:

"My evidence wasn’t Reddit it was a yougov poll. Of course you all rejected it, the way you always do when presented with evidence of stuff.
if you want some more evidence of lesbians’ attitudes, feel free look it up yourself .
or continue to believe that most lesbians are gender critical and want to exclude trans women from their spaces if holding false and delusional ideas gives your comfort.
It Doesn’t have anything to do with the real world though. "

And on the other, attempting present people who believe that a person's sex category is important and is a basis of the majority of a population's daily decision making and should be used to inform policies to protect female people from oppression and illegitimate negative discrimination as being detached from reality. This point has been attempted over several posts now.

Whether it is phrased as 'just nothing to do with reality' or 'It Doesn’t have anything to do with the real world though', this comes across as projection to me at this point.

Me too.

I am finally looking forward to person with higher educational qualification in a related topic finally posting robust evidence.

@Lostcat
Do you think that the OP's tongue in cheek comment on Reddit deserves a three-day ban, but whole substacks about raping lesbians are not hateful and should be allowed to stand?

Also, in your opinion, do cats and dogs have the mental capacity to understand and adhere to any ideology?

😂 So true.