Three-day ban on Reddit for “hate”

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The only thing I can think of is posting on a UK sub about male violence. A man said that it’s not just men who have a problem with being violent because he’d been assaulted by a trans woman. I replied, “how did you know your assailant was trans?”.

They literally have subs for men to masturbate to videos of women who have a look of being “dead behind the eyes” they’ve been abused so much.

(It’s either that or somebody doesn’t like my crochet advice).

We have a yougov poll that shows a decrease in the female support of males using female single sex toilets from year on year comparison. The majority of female people don’t wish to share those spaces with any male people over the age of about 8 years old.

But I am sure readers of this thread and posters of this thread notice the deliberate linking of ‘very right wing’ to any woman who might choose to not share single sex spaces with male people. This is a shaming tactic leveraging guilt by association.

But readers please rest assured that in your choice to use a female single sex space, you would also be aligned with left wing women as well. And centrist.

We don't have single sex toilets now. Any man can enter women's toilets for any reason he likes. If questioned, all he has to do is say he is a woman.

I have looked each year since for the repeat of this poll as it was a tracked poll. They stopped.

I can only imagine that they stopped it because the data was showing a decrease in support and yougov providing the evidence of that was very inconvenient.

Yes. That's why about half the toilet provision needs to be allocated to gender critical women.

A few women can demonstrate their allyship by sharing with trans women.

Everyone's happy. Job done.

demonstrate their allyship

It's all so performative, isn't it? Look at me being the good person. And the cool person too. By selling women out.

Exactly. People like Lostcat have made it their entire identity, and are happy to sell out their own sex to be validated by men.

There's nothing new under the sun.

So we have several notable evasions of topics that to acknowledge would show the deep weaknesses in the assertion that the only time sex is ever important to acknowledge is in medical treatment of the person with transgender identity.

-in jobs where a person should be able to expect a same sex care provider.

-sports.

Any other specificities avoided?

I mean we have several attempts to use philosophical theories to dismiss the relevance in safeguarding issues, but at least those get discussed.

because most women will choose to use the space that trans women are not allowed in

why do you think this? Most people don’t actually have a problem with trans people. Although I know anti- trans sentiment is growing not least because of misinformation and harmful ideas spread on social media, including mumsnet threads.

I’m cool girl and need validation from men.
Keep the misogyny coming.
No, I just really don’t have a problem with trans people because I understand what being trans is and I understand that absolutist accounts of gender and sex are both produced by and reproductive of patriarchy, and I understand that patriarchy, not biology, is the root of violence against women and girls.

Based on the only polling we have on the subject which showed the number of people who don't believe trans women should use female only spaces growing year on year until they stopped polling because it was too inconvenient.

An overwhelming majority of people don't believe that a trans women who still has a penis should use women only spaces.

Now all they need to do is join the dots and realise that (a) about 90% of trans women still have a penis and (b) we can't tell which ones are in the 10% that don't.

You can't just keep appropriating labels. It's not misogyny just because you're a woman (if you are). We're not talking about women in general, just YOU.

You don't know how labels work.

Patriarchy is based in biology, not that you have any concept of biology. Or history. Or the English language.....

It's not all about you though.

You can "not have a problem with trans people" and also not have a problem with women who for various valid reasons need single sex spaces.

Patriarchy is based in biology

if you believe it does that mean you think it can’t be dismantled? At least without medical technologies? It’s just the natural hierarchy/ order of things?

Patriarchy is based in biology

if you believe it does that mean you think it can’t be dismantled? At least without medical technologies? It’s just the natural hierarchy/ order of things?

“Most people don’t actually have a problem with trans people.”

This is where this ambiguous claim of ‘supporting trans people’ or ‘feeling positive about transgender people’ is used to spread what amounts to misinformation. It is a dishonest tactic.

It is true that “Most people don’t actually have a problem with trans people.”

However, as soon as specific instances of where people have to make a choice to include or exclude people based on gender where sex matters, the opinions change significantly.

When the population is polled about sports, single sex toilets/changing rooms, and prisons, the majority opinion supports single sex provisions. Making “Most people don’t actually have a problem with trans people” a false statement except as a superficial platitude.

I don't know whether it can ever fully be dismantled or not but people like you are certainly obstructing the efforts of feminists in this regard.

A poster who talks about single sex spaces as being harmful to women’s sexual freedoms is a poster who is trying to position women and girls getting undressed in front of random males as a sexual freedom for women - rather than a sexual freedom for male voyeurs - and is trying to rebrand sexual harassment of women as sexual empowerment for women.

As if “hey, ladies empower yourselves by taking your clothes off for men! woohoo! you go girls!!” is at all new, radical, progressive. Unless the poster is under the delusion that the multi million pound commercial exploitation of women industries are somehow edgy and radical.

No, why would it mean that?! That's an extremely odd take, if not at all surprising.

You seem to be all for the patriarchy, intent as you are on systematically dismantling the rights women have fought for. Do you know how long and hard women fought for their own space and spaces? And you blithely want to hand them to men and call us all bigots for being against it.

You are a handmaiden for the patriarchy, pretending to be some kind of freedom fighter. It's nauseating to see women like you.

Could not agree more👏

Ok so we have 41% Britons say that trans women should not use female toilets (reduced to 35% if trans women have sirgery) . So we need to calculate the proportion of these that are women and then that proportion will be the allocation of “female natal secx” toilets. If this reduces in the future it can be reduced. https://yougov.co.uk/society/articles/43194-where-does-british-public-stand-transgender-rights-1

So we need to calculate the proportion of these that are women

how are you going to do that?

Or again, men could just stay out of women's toilets.
We already have a clear answer, we don't need a new one.

By looking at the data obvs

Huh? Where are you getting those figures from? Not from the poll you have linked to.

Well you have read the incorrect data for a start