Trans remembrance flags and SNP renews support for LGBTYS

[WandsOut]

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14226129/Trans-remembrance-flags-flown-public-buildings.html

What is going on here.
Why are they so determined to support LGBTYS and trans young people - who is driving this?

Has the SNP actually said that is why the flag was flown?

Because all I’ve seen is the likes of JKR and the Daily Mail making that accusation. But apols if I’ve missed it and someone posted something from the SNP confirming.

And the Scottish Government guidelines don't allow for the flying of the suffragette flag, on International Women's Day, or any other day.

Strange that.

His name was the only name of a Scottish person on the list.

But it’s an international day of remembrance, no?

FWIW I’m not suggesting whether I think the SNP are right to fly a flag commemorating trans day of remembrance or not, especially if they don’t choose to mark other days of remembrance. Who knows - maybe they fly flags regularly commemorating/remembering/celebrating different groups - Daily Mail journalism is unlikely to bother to find that out.

But you can’t extrapolate that they did it specifically to commemorate Tiffany Scott. There isn’t any evidence of that.

www.gov.scot/publications/flag-flying-on-government-buildings/pages/guidance/

And in terms of flag flying at local authority buildings (including City of Edinburgh Council), there doesn't seem to be a specific policy and decisions about flags to be flown appear to be made through resolutions at Council meetings. Flags previously flown by CEC seem to have focused on Palestine, Pride and TDOR. The Council building was lit up orange to support the 16 days of Activism against gender based violence campaign. But that's the extent of it.

If groups or individuals want to put up flags or remember stories, that is their business.

I don't think state buildings should be used for flying flags that aren't representative of the state.

Even with veterans and soldiers, the state remembers them officially, not because they died, but because they did so at the command of, and for the good of, the state and it's citizens.

It's just a huge can of worms for the state to be officially recognizing any good cause someone wants to support.

That's essentially my take on it also. There are so many good cause/commemoration/ awareness etc type days or events that it's impossible to recognise every one. And in picking the ones that are considered by a group of people (whether that's elected officials or activists or whoever else) to be somehow more worthy than another, sets up a hierarchy of these good causes.

And I include (for example) the suffragette flag in that. Either all, or none.

Yes, me too, I don't see any of them as a good idea.

Apart from the hierarchy element, many of them are likely to be divisive. And that is not a business the state should get involved in.

It's just totally unnecessary apart from anything else.

More to the point, Scott died after becoming unwell in hospital.

So what does that have to do with Scott's transgender status?

Little late to the party here, but this is 350 globally (which already represents a decrease from a couple of years ago), and most of them occurred in Latin/South America. A very high proportion of them were migrants, people of colour and sex workers, all of which increase your likelihood of dying of unnatural causes.

This is really not good evidence for the claim that trans people are more at risk than the rest of the population.

Agree. I don't think local authorities should be party political either, fwiw.

it is not about "most oppressed" (hmmm who uses those terms?) but the fact that 2 women (at least) per week are killed. They are killed because of their sex very often.

Where is their flag? if TWAW why are no TRAs campaigning for a flag for hundreds (over 5 years that's around 250 women in the UK alone) of murdered women?

TW are only women when it suits. They are both the same as actual women and a totally separate and vulnerable group depending on what fits the situation best.

“Civilised nations have been flying flags, remembering people of oppressed groups and standing against discrimination for years”

This is exciting news, have you got any pictures of the flags being flown to remember all the world’s oppressed, raped and murdered women? Anywhere, anytime……. UK, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, DRC,India…….

And before you bite back, I do accept that in many parts of the world trans people, especially transwomen, face a difficult time, but would point out that usually when violence and discrimination is perpetrated against them it is initiated and carried out by men. It strikes me that, like so many things , this is an issue of male violence. This is a board mainly populated by women, many of whom have first hand experience of male violence. The people who really need to be challenged about male violence aren’t here.

Tiffany Scott seems to have been a deeply disturbed individual. A violent contrarian and who probably claimed to be trans to fuck with the system. Because the nonsense of gender politics, acceptance without exception, made it impossible to countersay he was within a whisker of being housed with vulnerable female prisoners.

Wherever he is now, if there is an afterlife, I be he's fucking pissing himself with laughter, identifying as an angel and trying to get moved to heaven.

If anyone on these boards truly believe he was trans then please, I implore you, London Bridge is not up for sale, there's no such thing as a treacle mine, the earth is not flat and it's impossible for mammals to change sex, even if they really, really want to.

Is that figure world-wide? Are you aware how many women are murdered every year just in the UK? What about a flag for them?

Yes worldwide and out of approximately 500,000 murders in 2024; approx 0.07% of all murders for a population that make up approximately 0.5% of the population.

From a quick review of this thread, the only people talking about ‘most oppressed’ have been @lonelywater and @GailBlancheViola (both, as I understand it, proponents of GC views). So I’m not sure what your point is @Brefugee .

As I’ve said multiple times, it’s not a bloody competition!

I've said multiple times - take that up with those TRAs and Genderists who are making it into a competition one where they always come out top as the most oppressed ever, ever in the whole wide world and throughout all of history.

You've never said why trans people need a Day of Remembrance and no other group or demographic does. People on here are pointing that fact out.

The 'most marginalised/oppressed' thing has been heavily pushed by activists, politicians and organisations -

thecritic.co.uk/neither-marginalised-abused-nor-vulnerable/

But @Waitwhat23, that’s not really evidence of the proposition that the trans community pushes to be seen as the ‘most oppressed’, is it? It’s a gender critical journo talking about comments made by three U.K. politicians. I’ve given up trying to guess the motivation behind the comments on all topics that come out of our politicians mouths.

And you’ve got to admit it’s a bit rich having an argument about whether or not trans people are indeed marginalised on a sub-forum (or whatever FWR is) dedicated to moaning about trans rights 😂

And @GailBlancheViola I’m not sure why it would fall to me to explain why there is a need for a trans day of remembrance when I’ve said repeatedly I don’t know why the SNP would honour that and not other days- and in fact @Waitwhat23 has helpfully posted a link showing they do in fact honour plenty of other days/seasons. Take it up with the SNP.

3 politicians? I could name 3 Scottish politicians off the top of my head aside from from the mere 3 mentioned in the article. There has been a determined push to concrete a specific, untrue narrative.

'Moaning about trans rights'? Do you mean discussing the whole scale destruction of women's single sex services and organisations in the name of 'inclusivity'? Characterising that as 'moaning about trans rights' is very telling.

'Honoring 'plenty' of other days/seasons' is a bit of a push isn't it? From that link I posted -

'The only flags that should be flown from SG buildings in Scotland are the:

Saltire

Royal Standard at St Andrew’s House only (by Special Command or Royal Assent)

Union flag

Progress Pride flag

Commonwealth flag (Commonwealth Day only)

European flag

Autistic Pride Day flag (Autistic Pride Day only) from St Andrew’s House only

Armed Forces Day flag (Armed Forces Day only)

Red Ensign (Merchant Navy Day only)

Transgender flag on Transgender Remembrance Day

World AIDS Day flag (World AIDS Day only)

Ukraine Flag'

@Waitwhat23 If there are other days you think they should be honouring or commemorating, why not write to them? (Assuming you’re in Scotland. I don’t think they’d care much what the rest of us think.)

Someone upthread mentioned World AIDS Day. Well that’s on the list already.

And if you think that FWR limits itself ‘discussing the whole scale destruction of women's single sex services and organisations [within your meaning of ‘women’s single sex’ only] in the name of 'inclusivity'’, you’re naive.