Trans remembrance flags and SNP renews support for LGBTYS

[WandsOut]

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14226129/Trans-remembrance-flags-flown-public-buildings.html

What is going on here.
Why are they so determined to support LGBTYS and trans young people - who is driving this?

my point is that anyone here who is giving the "GC" view is saying what TRAs say elsewhere.

The constant whine about how they are "most oppressed" when we can all see the statistics, we can see the people (mostly women) hounded out of jobs, nurses having to change in closets, trans flags everywhere, etc etc

Don't try the disingenuous schtick here - we have seen it all before. It is tedious.

In the meantime, to repeat what i said before: AT LEAST 2 WOMEN A WEEK. Where is their flag?

I've said already upthread that I don't think any flags (aside from the Saltire etc) should be flown from public buildings, for a variety of different reasons. And yes, I'm in Scotland so it's my Government wasting time, money and effort on this pish.

I'm intrigued as to how 'my meaning' of 'women's single sex' only is anything than, well, women's single sex. My Government may be attempting to beclown itself by spending £61,000 of public money on arguing otherwise but single sex is single sex, no matter of how a piece of paper creates a legal fiction.

And if you think there is not a concerted effort (here and elsewhere) to minimise women's concerns about the whole scale destruction of women's single sex services through institutional capture (as the ERCC independent review laid bare) by claiming everything and bloody everything is 'transphobic', you're deeply naive. The gobsmacking chain of thought by a particularly virulent TRA on the 'three day ban on Reddit for 'hate' shows this very clearly.

I don’t disagree with your final paragraph. Why not do something positive with that anger instead? Ask IWD to start selling an official IWD flag, and ask government spaces to fly it.

Work out what you would want them to do on International Day for the Elimination of Violence Against Women, and ask for that.

It’s a far more productive response.

As to your earlier point, I just find it really odd that GC posters are easily able apparently to paraphrase or summarise ‘what TRAs say elsewhere’, but struggle to provide actual examples.

push off with the patronising "focus your anger" tripe. I am perfectly calm, and but i am hugely pissed off that the Scottish government is so absorbed with this tripe instead of putting their energy into making the country better.

tell you what though: we can probably come up with some examples. But i'm not going to because i am sick to the back teeth of TRAs never ever giving examples of, say, how to live as a woman. So you can google that yourself. or go to twitter (or probably BlueSky) and see for yourself.

If this is your level of debate when you’re calm @Brefugee….😂

*Edited for poor grammar. Soz!

The SG would prefer to continue to plow money into LGBTYS, a heavily discredited and questionable organisation, for reasons which are baffling to the general public in Scotland, and focus on flying flags for a tiny number of causes instead of, say, tacking the fact that Scotland has the highest rate of drug deaths in Europe or tackling the various medical scandals in Scottish hospitals or any number of other things.

You know what happens without fail, every IWD?

Someone thinks it's a good idea to give a trans woman a sodding great big platform to talk about being a woman.

Because it's not enough to have Pride Month and Trans History Month and Transgender Day of Visibility and Transgender Day of Remembrance and all the rest of it, while women who make up half the global population get one measly day. Even that day has to celebrate trans women.

Are you seriously trying to claim that trans activists don't claim trans people to be a highly oppressed group @ElleWoods15

The question was about trans people being the most oppressed group, @Ereshkigalangcleg .

As I’ve already said, it’s a bit weird to try and argue trans people are not marginalised on FWR, where the vast majority of posters oppose trans rights 🙄

As I’ve already said, it’s a bit weird to try and argue trans people are not marginalised on FWR, where the vast majority of posters oppose trans rights

That's a bit of a non sequitur, why would that mean they were "marginalised" in any meaningful way?

Well, @Ereshkigalangcleg take this thread as an example (and tbh it’s a pretty mild one). This whole thread is about some posters feel that the SNP should not fly a flag to commemorate Trans Day of Remembrance (even though it doesn’t actually affect those posters if the SNP does indeed fly that flag). Isn’t that about trying to marginalise trans people? (And I repeat before I’m asked to justify why the SNP flies flags that I don’t have a view on whether or not they should. Not least because they are not my government.)

I’ve been called anti semitic by a PP for suggesting that the Nazis targeted people for being trans. If we write that part out of history, gloss over it and pretend it didn’t happen, isn’t that marginalising trans people?

But seriously, this little corner of the internet is nothing compared to the what trans people face IRL, something that’s only going to get worse with a new Trump administration.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2024/nov/15/trans-rights-trump

I’ve been called anti semitic by a PP for suggesting that the Nazis targeted people for being trans. If we write that part out of history, gloss over it and pretend it didn’t happen, isn’t that marginalising trans people?

Do you have evidence of any Nazi trans victims who were not Jewish or gay? We know many Nazi officers were openly trans so you need to have evidence to back up such statements.

Have you read the stats that show that trans people are NOT at more risk of murder that non-trans people? What do you think about that?

Isn’t that about trying to marginalise trans people?

No, it's about not creating a false narrative that they are murdered more than other people.

Sorry meant to quote you @ElleWoods15

As I’ve said a huge number of times it’s not a bloody competition about who is ‘more murdered’. That’s just a bit sick @Ereshkigalangcleg .

There’s some really interesting discussion up thread @meloncotton about what stats are available and why those stats are problematic. I’d start by reading that.

Particularly on an international scale (and we’re talking about an international day of remembrance), it’s not something you’re going to be able to find reliable stats for.

Methinks the lady doth protest too much…

There's a whole load of scare mongering in that article based almost solely on feels and very little on fact.

But the the "facts" of the article are about two paragraphs then just repeated by different people.

The stats show trans people are the safest demographic with a murder rate and order of magnitude less than non-trans people. The stats on here for number murdered in the last year should be enough to give you pause for thought. There were nearly 500,000 murders last year and only about 340 of those were trans. It would have to be about 2,500 to be the same as the rest of the population.

On the other hand. The census showed the proportion of men who identified as trans in the UK who are sex offenders is many times that of other men.

If there's anything more patronising than someone using that quotation in this type of conversation is someone misquoting the line.

There was a thread on here the other day about phrases that should be on an 'anti mumsnet' glossary and that should definitely be on it.

Beat me to it @Waitwhat23 -i am a poster more sinned against than sinning 😜

There’s a really good post at 18.42 yesterday by @suggestionsplease1 that explains why proofing from the stats that have been alluded to by GC posters on this thread doesn’t work. That post talks primarily about U.K. stats, but as I’ve said before is even more true globally.

As has also been pointed out upthread, Trans Day of Remembrance doesn’t just commemorate murder victims. So this competition that you @SkiingonKaraSea and others are trying to get into about whose more likely to get killed is not just a little bit sick, but also completely off point.