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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Trans remembrance flags and SNP renews support for LGBTYS

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WandsOut · 26/12/2024 22:57

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14226129/Trans-remembrance-flags-flown-public-buildings.html

What is going on here.
Why are they so determined to support LGBTYS and trans young people - who is driving this?

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/01/2025 10:54

Of course the law should only work one way!

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/01/2025 10:56

Saying that transwomen who commit sexual offences should be treated as men tells the world that everyone knows that transwomen are men and they are just pretending otherwise for the nice ones

Which is why well meaning, decent, well adjusted people can't understand why they can't allow third spaces, because everyone thinks this truth, that the majority of people are pretending, is self evident and doesn't need to be mentioned, so as not to hurt their feelings. They also realise that many of them are mentally fragile, vulnerable people.

INeedAPensieve · 08/01/2025 11:01

Because exceptions undermine the whole ideology by recognising it for the luxury belief it is.

Indeed @SkiingonKaraSea

Worth repeating your response to me. It's so insidious and shamelessly so. Women (actual women) just do not matter as much as men. Once you see it you can't unsee it.

Datun · 08/01/2025 11:13

*Because exceptions undermine the whole ideology by recognising it for the luxury belief it is.

Which is why Nicola Sturgeon all but imploded when asked about Isla Bryson's prison destination.

She couldn't fail her ideologues by admitting he was a dangerous man, but knew that recommending a violent rapist be housed with women who can't escape him, made her look like an insane misogynist.

If you take out one brick, the entire thing falls down.

INeedAPensieve · 08/01/2025 11:17

I will never forgive the SNP and Nicola Sturgeon for that. For all that they've done. For pushing it all and for failing women, girls and children so spectacularly.

lcakethereforeIam · 08/01/2025 11:20

The Scottish Greens too.

SkiingonKaraSea · 08/01/2025 11:23

And Scottish Labour

ArabellaScott · 08/01/2025 11:28

The police, the NHS, academia, the third sector, the arts, schools, armed forces, media.

I've never encountered such a comprehensive undermining in trust, responsibility, and authority. Good thing we don't have populists looking to fill that gap, eh?

BonfireLady · 08/01/2025 16:11

Datun · 08/01/2025 11:13

*Because exceptions undermine the whole ideology by recognising it for the luxury belief it is.

Which is why Nicola Sturgeon all but imploded when asked about Isla Bryson's prison destination.

She couldn't fail her ideologues by admitting he was a dangerous man, but knew that recommending a violent rapist be housed with women who can't escape him, made her look like an insane misogynist.

If you take out one brick, the entire thing falls down.

Here she is uttering her nonsense...

https://x.com/PeterAdamSmith/status/1620051699900755970?t=Es3KBsXhrw9MrRa-XurKxA&s=19

I hadn't bothered reading the full thread before but it would appear that Peter Smith was trying to prove how unfair Nicola Sturgeon was being to transwomen when he asked his excellent questions. Ha!

x.com

https://x.com/PeterAdamSmith/status/1620051699900755970?s=19&t=Es3KBsXhrw9MrRa-XurKxA

Waitwhat23 · 08/01/2025 18:39

INeedAPensieve · 08/01/2025 11:17

I will never forgive the SNP and Nicola Sturgeon for that. For all that they've done. For pushing it all and for failing women, girls and children so spectacularly.

Absolutely honestly, my opinion of both the Scottish Government and Parliament has plummeted to rock bottom. I used to be proud of both. Now we look like a nation of ridiculous, credulous fools.

Politicians across all our political parties (with some truly honourable exceptions) have shown themselves up.

SkiingonKaraSea · 08/01/2025 19:26

One worrying thing about Labour doing so terribly is it raises the spectre of the SNP winning more MSP seats just when you hoped they were done.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 08/01/2025 19:28

SkiingonKaraSea · 08/01/2025 19:26

One worrying thing about Labour doing so terribly is it raises the spectre of the SNP winning more MSP seats just when you hoped they were done.

Honestly, it's making me start to wonder whether the Tories are in fact the natural party of government, and Tony Blair was just a never-to-be-repeated blip.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 08/01/2025 19:31

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/01/2025 10:56

Saying that transwomen who commit sexual offences should be treated as men tells the world that everyone knows that transwomen are men and they are just pretending otherwise for the nice ones

Which is why well meaning, decent, well adjusted people can't understand why they can't allow third spaces, because everyone thinks this truth, that the majority of people are pretending, is self evident and doesn't need to be mentioned, so as not to hurt their feelings. They also realise that many of them are mentally fragile, vulnerable people.

You're right about that.

Anyone advocating for third spaces is essentially saying, "We need to have a space for men who don't feel comfortable in men's spaces."

Something to say to the next "can't we all just be kind and have a civilised conversation" scold who comes along.

SkiingonKaraSea · 08/01/2025 22:52

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 08/01/2025 19:28

Honestly, it's making me start to wonder whether the Tories are in fact the natural party of government, and Tony Blair was just a never-to-be-repeated blip.

I suppose historically Tories tended to be people who managed businesses (including estates) whereas Labour tended to be trade unionists (obviously a huge generalisation). So in that sense Tories were more naturally about governance with Labour keeping them in check as far as the interests of the masses were concerned. These days they are all PPE graduates who went straight into politics.

IdylicDay · 09/01/2025 03:52

sadmillenial · 07/01/2025 11:22

yes, i understand this frustration and i promise i'm not trying to diminish it, i also get irate when im told im either transphobic or a traitor to my sex (ive been told both, often within the same conversation)

I don't judge arguments by the extremes, i dont measure trans people by the extreme TRA arguments and i dont believe most women's right activists seek to be transphobic either.

from my experience the vast majority of both groups are looking to find a solution that works? the loudest voices arent always speaking for the majority

from my experience the vast majority of both groups are looking to find a solution that works?

No they're not, unfortunately. We have suggested the only compromise we can reasonably possibly give. Third spaces. They point blank REFUSE it.

So, its a stalemate. And will remain so unless they accept the only compromise that is possible. That's it. Full stop. Period.

Hoardasurass · 09/01/2025 08:50

ElleWoods15 · 04/01/2025 14:56

@Waitwhat23 If there are other days you think they should be honouring or commemorating, why not write to them? (Assuming you’re in Scotland. I don’t think they’d care much what the rest of us think.)

Someone upthread mentioned World AIDS Day. Well that’s on the list already.

And if you think that FWR limits itself ‘discussing the whole scale destruction of women's single sex services and organisations [within your meaning of ‘women’s single sex’ only] in the name of 'inclusivity'’, you’re naive.

I did multiple times to everyone from Stergeon through to murder fraser, and I have had a very polite and apologetic reply from murdo saying he asked but was told to fuck off (I'm paraphrasing here) and absolutely sweet fuck all from the rest.
Why is it when TRAs say jump the Scottish government asks how high yet the rest of us are ignored or abused

Aibuquestiononrelationship · 10/01/2025 18:14

ArabellaScott · 28/12/2024 13:03

Ah, Scott was apparently named in the Scottish event to mark a day of remembrance for Trans people.

https://archive.ph/5Krxb

'Feminist campaigners said the only Scot included in the official list of those being <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/5Krxb/www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/01/28/nicola-sturgeon-under-fire-another-trans-prisoner-womens-jail/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">commemorated was Tiffany Scott, who was one of the UK’s most violent inmates before the 32-year-old’s death earlier this year.

Scott, who was previously known as Andrew Burns, had been convicted of a <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/5Krxb/www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/01/30/keith-brown-nicola-stugeon-justice-secretary-trans-criminals/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">string of offences, including stalking a 13-year-old girl from behind bars by sending letters.
The criminal came out as transgender in 2016 but is understood never to have begun any physical transitioning nor to have possessed a gender recognition certificate.'

Why remember a violent trans person? Why raise a flag for this violent man?

SinnerBoy · 10/01/2025 19:29

Because there are bloody loads of them. 50% of the trans prison population are in for sexual and violent crimes against women and children.

That's as opposed to 18% of the general population.

Look up transcrime.co.uk and see if you still think he's a tiny outlier; he's absolutely not.

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