Real life scenario, how would you respond?

[MotherEarthisaTerf]

Just curious how many GC women do react when there is a male in a female safe space? Have you ever glared, or said anything?

eg department store changing rooms, public bathrooms?

this isn’t something I’ve come across but I’ll be honest, I’m unlikely to react past a judgemental look.

Not me but friend has a trans woman in her workplace who pisses all over the women's toilets on their floor. The actual women have been unable to say anything and discreetly go down to use the disabled loo on the ground floor, so the male just has their loos to himself now.
I've been in a bar toilet with a youngish male wearing very sexualised 'women's' clothes. The other women and I kept our eyes low and scuttled off as quickly as possible, whilst he smirked. I hated it, and I hated how meek we had to be to not provoke him.

lol well it didn’t take long for the buuut how can you teelll???? posters to arrive along with the idea that misgendering someone is the worse thing ever and so it’s best never to challenge a male looking person in the ladies loo in case they might be a woman ie just let men do whatever they like

I’ve been misgendered when I was younger when I had very short hair, a leather jacket on and was sat down so you couldn’t see how short I was and you know oddly enough I didn’t faint on the floor, burst into tears or file a complaint with the police, I just laughed because actually it’s not a big deal if you’re an adult person who isn’t an attention seeking narcissist,

and in real life you can almost always tell when someone is male - height, size of hands, shoulder angle, lack of hips because male pelvis, Adam’s Apple etc

You know there is a Jane Doe who was thought to be a woman for a long time because they thought they could "tell". It wasn't until decades later that they found that the body was that of someone with XY chromosomes and this person was murdered in the 80s. The surgery was that good, and their usual methods of sexing a body so inaccurate, that they didn't even realise until they had DNA much much later on.

https://unidentified-awareness.fandom.com/wiki/Julie_Doe

I think this proves, along with other mistakes like this, that we really can't tell by looking, especially where someone has had hormones or surgery.

Let's not confront people in the bathrooms unless they are behaving in inappropriate ways and even then, sex is irrelevant. Anyone peeking under the cubicles is a problem, surely.

Yes we should all totally base our behaviour in British toilets on one decades old case in America.

No. Just no. Do not make this excuse on behalf of gender non-conforming women like me. I put the safety of women and girls before me being slightly embarrassed from being mis-sexed thank you very much.

People can tell once I speak or move, ie within 2 mins anyhow.

So yes, you can trust your instincts.

The point is that even scientists can't tell by looking. They couldn't even tell at autopsy that the person had male anatomy (at birth at least). This happens with increasing regularity and is only revealed via DNA.

Laypeople with full bladders cannot tell with accuracy if someone is male or female unless they conform to gender roles in every way. So we probably shouldn't be confronting anyone especially if they're just using the toilet.

I really think that this (the piss) should be mentioned more often. TW using female toilets makes things difficult for women in so many ways (including after they have left the toilets). Some poeple may not consider this element the most important, but when it is added to the others it does make a difference.

You are desperate for the loo, you get to an empty cubicle and there is piss all over the seat and the floor, so the first thing you have to do before you can use the loo is to clear up after the TW!

It just adds to the evidence that TWANW and that they should use the correct loos for their sex.

That's you. I'd think many other women would find it absolutely mortifying. I think I'm far more likely to harass a woman who I mistake as a man than an actual trans person in the toilets just by statistics.

So that's why I think unless the person is doing something inappropriate (in which case you should document and call security), then just ignore them.

Can't disagree more

Mortifying, sure. Dangerous, no.

Also I went to a girls school and there was regularly faeces, blood and piss everywhere in the toilets. We had a big meeting with the council when I was in School because so many girls would not use the toilets and the cleaners were not prepared to deal with the mess and there wasn't enough of them. Sometimes the toilets would stay with the same mess for 2 or 3 days.

I'd say it depends. Anyway I try to avoid mortifying fellow women.

Um... Julie Doe it seems was found as a mummified corpse. Really not that relevant in terms of living humans.

I'm not someone who believes you can always tell - in fact I know you often can't tell with transmen, and with some transwomen you get a joint chord of gender and sex signals that are very far apart and it can take a while to sort out what you've seen. It's just that if you look at behaviour, we have a situation where one sex is overwhelmingly the perpetrator of sexually threatening behaviour such as flashing or putting covert cameras in, and we can't take the simplest preventative measure of separating the sexes where clothes are being removed.

Well we have scientific evidence to prove it..most recently pompeii victims. We aren't good at deciding sex via Skeleton or appearance. Even scientists aren't.

I've also been asked if I was a man in the past and I would happily have that happen again (multiple times) if it meant that women and girls had single sex toilets.

You know what, if someone asked me that, I honestly think that I would smile and feel happy that I could easily confirm that I am a biological female. It would indicate that things are healing and that women and girls are defending their single sex spaces.

Just pointing out that when you're talking about a pompeii victim, you're usually talking not about human remains but about the plaster cast of an empty space. Again frankly irrelevant in terms of assessing living people.

They used appearance and skeleton to determine gender. Missed the Adams apple on autopsy. Missed signs of surgery that would have shown their vagina was made rather than natural. And this was surgery from the early 80s.

Missed the skull shape and Jaw line that's meant to determine gender. They Missed it in every way. There was also another case where they only recently.found a murder victim was male because they thought they were female.based on "pelvis shape". All of these methods are proven to be inaccurate. DNA is the only way to tell with any accuracy.

How would you confirm. I mean I'd say verbally that I'm female but I'm not getting my genitals out to show you. Even then they could be via surgery.

Another example, I have a neighbour that looks very very much like that recent boxer. She's at least 5'10 with a very similar body type and I think they're from the same geographical region. This neighbour of mine speaks Arabic and French. However, I also saw her heavily pregnant and now with the toddler she conceived.

So yes I thought the boxer looks very masculine. I think my neighbour does too..but one of them is a woman and one isn't.

Why are you talking about dead people and not ones you'll find walking around in the toilet?

That is highly unusual. So unusual that I have never come across this myself. For reasons which I do not wish to share, toilets and toilet provision is an important topic (male/female/unisex/disabled toilets/'changing places' toilets for severely disabled people).

You are being extremely offensive. Stop it. No-one needs to get their genitals out to show that they are female.

Also stop banging on about corpses. Zombies are not going to be queuing for the loos.

Just stop beiong ridiculous.

When I was young (1980s) I used to go to a lot of gay clubs, the women's toilets was were we would all hang out (males and females).
Ah, happy days!

As an adult once I was in a very small village in Cornwall. The women's public toilet was one of those very old, small two stall, one sink jobs. A man with two small kids, maybe age one and two, was trying to go in to use the nappy changing table for his kids, an elderly women was objecting. I stuck up for the bloke, and helped him up the step with his pushchair and watched each of the kids while he changed the other. There was nowhere else around he could have gone to do this.

Then of course there are male maintenance workers and cleaners that often go into female toilets.

I'm as gender critical as they come though and think men should stay out of women's spaces with very few exemptions. Like the poor man with two kids above. In that case I think women could just wait outside a minute while he sorted his kids shitty nappies out.

I see all the toilet bingos have been played this morning 😁

interesting how some posters are so invested in allowing men carte Blanche to go into women’s spaces….