Real life scenario, how would you respond?

[MotherEarthisaTerf]

Just curious how many GC women do react when there is a male in a female safe space? Have you ever glared, or said anything?

eg department store changing rooms, public bathrooms?

this isn’t something I’ve come across but I’ll be honest, I’m unlikely to react past a judgemental look.

On rare occassions it can be hard to tell someone's sex. Most of the time, it's really not.

Your children's naked bodies aren't a reflection of adult bodies.

What a load of absolute tosh.

They shouldn’t be in there. And if a natal woman is accidentally misgendered for looking a bit blokey then that’s on her for choosing to look blokey in the first place. In all likelihood though even very masculine looking woman are still defo women.

Thankfully I’ve only come across men in women’s toilets once and that was absolutely by accident, the doors were marked very ambiguously and the (teen) male was horrified.

This seems horrifically homophobic. I'm.going to report it.

I won't be continuing here unless the homophonic victim blaming post is deleted.

And male, I’ll wager.

Ter rah.

Deffo sus

Have you ever observed an autopsy taking place? Because I have seen several.
"Mummified" does not mean that the soft tissues of, for example, the genitals, are intact. There is absolutely no way on God's green earth that a pathologist performing an autopsy would look at the genitals of a recently-deceased person and not be able to see instantly that a penis and testicles had been removed and a vulva or vagina fashioned.
"Mummification" covers a whole range of processes, intentional and accidental, and leaves bodies in a range of states of decay. I won't go into the details of stages of decomposition, or what factors will determine which cellular structures are left intact, because it's quite a derail from the OP and not everyone's cup of tea to read about at 10am on a Monday.
But I have seen more bodies, and more autopsies, than I wish I had - admittedly children's, not adults', but the processes are the same - and, with all due respect, you have misunderstood the article you posted.

So the body was too decomposed to see whether this person had any genitals at all. You can hardly state the quality of surgery in the 80s was sufficiently clever to fool them at the autopsy. Frankly, the findings of the autopsy should have raised significant concerns about the person's sex and identify anyway, even back then.

https://madisontramel.medium.com/julie-doe-the-story-of-a-transgender-doe-4c65e900d2b6

There is NOTHING homophobic about that post. Women can dress how they fucking like, and there isn’t anything pejorative about making a statement about the clothes women choose.

How right you are. You have articulated why I still feel it as a violation and intrusion, even if the said offender is one of the mild mannered ones who “just want to pee.”
And damn right about the territorial pissing everywhere, for fuck's sake.
You'd think that pretending to be a woman would also mean sitting down.

As someone who's been out in London clubs I quite often come across trans women and femme-presenting men in women's loos, and did 25+ years ago. Never occurred to me to be bothered - none of them ever tried climbing into a cubicle with me, and I would object if anyone did that whatever their sex or identity. But basically they were there because it was a safe space for them and they were minding their own business, fixing their makeup, having a chat with girlfriends etc. They're not watching me on the loo!

Well that’s splendid then isn’t it, that men need to use women-only spaces as a safe space, to protect them from…men. Can you see the crashing irony?

I don’t think it ever occurs to those posters. Nor does it occur to them that just because they are ok with it doesn’t mean women who need single sex spaces to be remain single sex are ok with it. And why should someone who is ok with it dismiss those who do need the space?

I'd be too frightened to challenge a male in the women's toilets. Men can get very aggressive quickly when challenged or provoked - the "Call me ma'am" video was a classic example of this, though there are others.

Not so many years ago, the expected response in this situation would be for a woman to scream at the top of her voice. People would run in (often men) to remove the man from the toilets.

A scream is an involuntary response to threat.

What would happen if we all started doing that again now?

Woman arrested for hate crime.

Just curious how many GC women do react when there is a male in a female safe space? Have you ever glared, or said anything?

I don't know whether you mean a situation where a man has accidentally wandered into the wrong place, or an obvious trans woman who makes me feel uncomfortable.

The former I've come across and simply said "this is the women's changing area, men's is that way".
The latter has never happened to me. I'm sure I have shared female-only spaces with trans women who just want to get on with their lives. If I felt uncomfortable with an obvious male then I would speak to someone in charge.
It's never happened though. I would do the same if I felt uncomfortable with anyone though.

Ha! I often think of that song in relation to trans women. Oppression tourists who only think they are women because they have no fucking idea how we actually live and what we actually experience because of our sex.

They shouldn’t be in there. And if a natal woman is accidentally misgendered for looking a bit blokey then that’s on her for choosing to look blokey in the first place. In all likelihood though even very masculine looking woman are still defo women.

Maybe not homophobic but really?
If women don't want to be challenged in woman's loos they should make sure they look like real,proper women? Whatever that is.
(Presumably tall women with more masculine features should be sure to wear dresses and heels! Oh,hang on......)

@ArabellaScott

I’m not sure now that things are developing.

A woman in her eighties, who is genuinely frightened… someone’s nan. But maybe any woman too.

Can they really arrest someone for being frightened?

I work for a Government owned org though not quite public sector. There is very strong advocacy for anyone who is transgender. I am supportive of transgender people but I am unclear on what the law requires. In particular, our work policies state that anyone is able to use the toilet they feel most comfortable with. Trans allies are encouraged to reinforce this policies. I had thought that toilers were a space where women had a right to a safe space and where men were not allowed. What actually is the law on this?

Are you aware of Non Crime Hate Incidents? The definition of this rests entirely on the perception of the person reporting.

I've been - in my youth, mostly from behind - mistaken for a man, but as soon as they hear my voice, it's obvious. I used to be upset if I was challenged or someone called me "sir", but nowadays I don't care about the "sir"-ing. I don't even bother to correct them, they usually correct themselves. And frankly, I feel reassured by being looked at askance in women's facilities. I usually find a reason to speak so as to reassure the other women.