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This is why so many women voted Trump

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BabyLlamaZen · 07/11/2024 22:13

I’m not saying it’s right, I’m not saying it’s worth the horrors of the Trump administration (and what other women’s rights will be abolished). However, I can also empathise. Books like this are everywhere in baby sections of bookshops in USA. My american friend is naturally more conservative than myself although hated Trump and didn’t vote for him previously (she abstained and then she went Biden although she says she seriously regrets) and this time she voted Trump. She said this stuff is now everywhere and it’s constant. She also showed me a baby’s ABC book which included B for bisexual (and literally then described it as people who are sexually attracted to either gender). For babies.

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borntobequiet · 10/11/2024 09:48

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What is so awful about having a mental illness?

The NHS tells us that one person in four will have at least one diagnosable mental health problem in any given year. Many will be treated in a psychiatric hospital or clinic.

It’s not something to be judgemental about.

Datun · 10/11/2024 09:48

Tandora · 10/11/2024 09:32

Transgender trend is not a source of accurate, objective or scientific information.

Lol

Stephanie Davis Arai who runs transgender trend was shortlisted for the John Maddox prize.

"John Maddox Prize is a joint initiative of the charity 'Sense about science' which “recognises the work of individuals who promote sound science and evidence on a matter of public interest, facing difficulty or hostility in doing so.”

The description is so accurate, it's almost funny.

SquirrelSoShiny · 10/11/2024 09:48

Tandora · 10/11/2024 09:26

You are so sure that people simply are transgender like people simply are gay

This is exactly right.

This is a faith statement. The research is very clear that gender dysphoria is transient in most individuals and is more common in neurodivergent and gender non-conforming teens during puberty. Which is why trans activists have pushed to remove gender dysphoria from the diagnostic criteria! You don't get the same funding for telling young people 'Don't worry, you're going to grow out of this, just like you grew out of many other beliefs and habits.'

justasking111 · 10/11/2024 09:49

EyeofOrion · 10/11/2024 09:47

Hmm. Why have all these kids needing treatment come from? Where? 🧐

Sex education/Brainwashing causing confusion in immature brains.

Tandora · 10/11/2024 09:50

TiredEyesSoreHeart · 10/11/2024 09:44

Peer reviewed academic journals and books and medical/ health bodies.

If that were true, you'd take note of what the Mayo Clinic says, and they disagree with you entirely.

The Mayo Clinic absolutely do not disagree with me. Some information from their website about puberty blockers.

www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/gender-dysphoria/in-depth/pubertal-blockers/art-20459075

Please note this particular passage:

"GnRH analogues don't cause permanent physical changes. Instead, they pause puberty...When a person stops taking GnRH analogues, puberty starts again."

Which is exactly what I have said.

CatusFlatus · 10/11/2024 09:50

Tandora · 10/11/2024 09:46

You are proud of saying that there is "no such thing as trans", and it's preferable that these people are in a psychiatric institution?

She didn't say they should be in a psychiatric institution.

justasking111 · 10/11/2024 09:50

SquirrelSoShiny · 10/11/2024 09:48

This is a faith statement. The research is very clear that gender dysphoria is transient in most individuals and is more common in neurodivergent and gender non-conforming teens during puberty. Which is why trans activists have pushed to remove gender dysphoria from the diagnostic criteria! You don't get the same funding for telling young people 'Don't worry, you're going to grow out of this, just like you grew out of many other beliefs and habits.'

It's an industry run by people you'd cross the road to avoid.

Tandora · 10/11/2024 09:51

SquirrelSoShiny · 10/11/2024 09:48

This is a faith statement. The research is very clear that gender dysphoria is transient in most individuals and is more common in neurodivergent and gender non-conforming teens during puberty. Which is why trans activists have pushed to remove gender dysphoria from the diagnostic criteria! You don't get the same funding for telling young people 'Don't worry, you're going to grow out of this, just like you grew out of many other beliefs and habits.'

This is absolutely not true:

The research is very clear that gender dysphoria is transient in most individuals

Tandora · 10/11/2024 09:51

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SquirrelSoShiny · 10/11/2024 09:52

justasking111 · 10/11/2024 09:50

It's an industry run by people you'd cross the road to avoid.

Yes I especially think this when I see people like JM on You Tube shudders. Mr Menno is no fan of this individual!

justasking111 · 10/11/2024 09:52

My grandson was on his hands and knees yesterday, he likes to pretend he's a dog around our dogs.

I'll not be taking him to the vets though.

CatusFlatus · 10/11/2024 09:53

Tandora · 10/11/2024 09:50

The Mayo Clinic absolutely do not disagree with me. Some information from their website about puberty blockers.

www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/gender-dysphoria/in-depth/pubertal-blockers/art-20459075

Please note this particular passage:

"GnRH analogues don't cause permanent physical changes. Instead, they pause puberty...When a person stops taking GnRH analogues, puberty starts again."

Which is exactly what I have said.

Not if the person stops taking them outside the normal window of time in which puberty naturally occurs.

RedToothBrush · 10/11/2024 09:53

I have questions.

Which foreign agency did Mridul Wadhwa work for? Who is putting back handers in all these judge's back pockets? Which member of the SNP is a super secret squirrel and enemy of Q? Who forced the NHS across the country to replace the word 'woman' in NHS literature so you can't read it in anything medical anymore? Why did Mermaids get reprimanded for its behaviour by foreigners? Who put the whistleblowers at the Tavistock up to creating a stink which then was reported by the evil foreign based Newsnight? Who thought it was a cracking idea to allow boxers with DSDs to compete at the Olympics post the 800m saga? Obviously that was Russia. Oh no, the Russians just planted fake evidence and had corrupted boxing...

Or maybe just maybe there are a pile of scandals here which in normal circumstances the media would be all over and reporting this there wouldnt be this uptick in dubious misinformation because mainstream media would still be trusted and politicians would be happy to speak out about this because there's quite obvious a whole bunch of scandals and abuses of power here.

If this has been in any way amplified by the Russian and the Chinese, it's not these stories that have been exploited. They've exploited the mistrust to that's been caused due to lack of due diligence and checks and balances within our democracy ultimately failing and the people feeling like people in power are deliberately trying to suppress and control them. That means that liberalism no longer gives them power of reply so why support the concept of liberalism at all?

I do believe that there has been shitstirring. But crucially shitstirring wouldn't be as effective as it is, but for the fact there's a neglected issue and numerous scandals that allow them to get a foothold.

And that most definitely is something for political strategists to contemplate. The unintended side effect of forcing people to lie about sex is you ultimately create an internal security risk through your own stupidity.

CatusFlatus · 10/11/2024 09:55

RedToothBrush · 10/11/2024 09:53

I have questions.

Which foreign agency did Mridul Wadhwa work for? Who is putting back handers in all these judge's back pockets? Which member of the SNP is a super secret squirrel and enemy of Q? Who forced the NHS across the country to replace the word 'woman' in NHS literature so you can't read it in anything medical anymore? Why did Mermaids get reprimanded for its behaviour by foreigners? Who put the whistleblowers at the Tavistock up to creating a stink which then was reported by the evil foreign based Newsnight? Who thought it was a cracking idea to allow boxers with DSDs to compete at the Olympics post the 800m saga? Obviously that was Russia. Oh no, the Russians just planted fake evidence and had corrupted boxing...

Or maybe just maybe there are a pile of scandals here which in normal circumstances the media would be all over and reporting this there wouldnt be this uptick in dubious misinformation because mainstream media would still be trusted and politicians would be happy to speak out about this because there's quite obvious a whole bunch of scandals and abuses of power here.

If this has been in any way amplified by the Russian and the Chinese, it's not these stories that have been exploited. They've exploited the mistrust to that's been caused due to lack of due diligence and checks and balances within our democracy ultimately failing and the people feeling like people in power are deliberately trying to suppress and control them. That means that liberalism no longer gives them power of reply so why support the concept of liberalism at all?

I do believe that there has been shitstirring. But crucially shitstirring wouldn't be as effective as it is, but for the fact there's a neglected issue and numerous scandals that allow them to get a foothold.

And that most definitely is something for political strategists to contemplate. The unintended side effect of forcing people to lie about sex is you ultimately create an internal security risk through your own stupidity.

Totally this

RedToothBrush · 10/11/2024 09:56

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Tbf, there is such a high risk of mental health comorbidity, arguably there are many many in the trans community who need counselling, medication and yes in a small minority yes they probably need inpatient care.

This isn't because they are trans.

But we aren't allowed to talk about the massive rate of comorbidity because that raises a huge number of difficult questions that no one wants to admit or acknowledge.

borntobequiet · 10/11/2024 09:57

But to get back to the thread, and what has been noted previously - the stance taken by @Tandora, the arguments she puts forward, the misinformation she promotes, the ignorance she displays, and her unwavering opinion that she is in the right and everyone else in the wrong, tendentiously expressed in a patronising tone - is precisely the stance taken by the Democrats in the USA that resulted in many potential Democrat voters staying at home and handing the victory to Trump.

Datun · 10/11/2024 09:57

Tandora · 10/11/2024 09:50

The Mayo Clinic absolutely do not disagree with me. Some information from their website about puberty blockers.

www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/gender-dysphoria/in-depth/pubertal-blockers/art-20459075

Please note this particular passage:

"GnRH analogues don't cause permanent physical changes. Instead, they pause puberty...When a person stops taking GnRH analogues, puberty starts again."

Which is exactly what I have said.

Just for Lukers, 98% of children who go on puberty blockers continue onto cross sex hormones.

Unsurprisingly.

It's not a pause to think, they're arresting development, including decision-making.

If you stop a child maturing at nine or 10, they're not going to be any more mature when they're 16 or 17

Lovelyview · 10/11/2024 09:58

I know that Transgender Trend is an advocacy group. They advocate based on research. The Cass Review of the research into puberty blockers conducted a comprehensive review of all the scientific research in this area and concluded it was 'remarkably weak'. As you enjoy evidenced research you can read about it here.

https://cass.independent-review.uk/home/publications/final-report/

NotBadConsidering · 10/11/2024 10:02

Mayo Clinic research:

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10996503/

Herein, we report largest clinically annotated juvenile testicular biorepository with all children with gender dysphoria on chronic PB treatment highlighting shift in pediatric patient demography in US. At the tissue level, we report mild-to-severe sex gland atrophy in PB [puberty blocker] treated children.

Puberty Blocker and Aging Impact on Testicular Cell States and Function - PMC

Spermatogonial stem cell (SSC) acquisition of meiotogenetic state during puberty to produce genetically diverse gametes is blocked by drugs collectively referred as ‘puberty blocker’ (PB). Investigating the impact of PB on juvenile SSC state and ...

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10996503

nolongersurprised · 10/11/2024 10:02

Datun · 10/11/2024 09:57

Just for Lukers, 98% of children who go on puberty blockers continue onto cross sex hormones.

Unsurprisingly.

It's not a pause to think, they're arresting development, including decision-making.

If you stop a child maturing at nine or 10, they're not going to be any more mature when they're 16 or 17

Which means children are making decisions about fertility and sexual functioning (or lack of) for the rest of their lives whilst at primary school.

Yet somehow, this passes for consent

EyeofOrion · 10/11/2024 10:03

NotBadConsidering · 10/11/2024 09:48

What?

Re-read your post that I was responding to referring to an an explosion of young people in the last 15 years or so needing treatment. Why is this? Social media. That is your answer. TikTok, Facebook, etc., and everything viral have been insidious in the minds of children for more than 20 years - and so has bot propaganda.

Grammarnut · 10/11/2024 10:03

Tandora · 10/11/2024 09:31

Take responsibility for his election. The blame for it lies squarely at the feet of misogynistic ideologues like yourself.

I see... so the blame for Trump's election lies on me: - a person who deeply opposes everything Trump stands for.

Meanwhile, people on this thread who express support for Trump because they share his transphobic agenda - they are the ones promoting fewer votes for Trump?

Make it make sense.

The trans-agenda which you support is illiberal and misogynistic so it's no wonder women vote against the candidate (albeit a woman) who backs it. The majority of the population (male and female - only two sexes, remember?) know perfectly well transgenderism is total non-scientific nonsense. Most dare not speak up because of the toxic, vicious behaviour of trans activists - no wonder when they get the chance to speak with anonymity, they do so.
It's not transphobic to support scientific reality and to oppose the destruction of women's rights and spaces.

nolongersurprised · 10/11/2024 10:03

NotBadConsidering · 10/11/2024 10:02

Mayo Clinic research:

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10996503/

Herein, we report largest clinically annotated juvenile testicular biorepository with all children with gender dysphoria on chronic PB treatment highlighting shift in pediatric patient demography in US. At the tissue level, we report mild-to-severe sex gland atrophy in PB [puberty blocker] treated children.

Yep, not reassuring for reversibility, is it?

justasking111 · 10/11/2024 10:03

Wales labour government swallowing this guff wasn't a surprise when talking to some politicians in the know. We've some dodgy individuals that are politicians, never mind the medical establishment.

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