This is why so many women voted Trump

[BabyLlamaZen]

I’m not saying it’s right, I’m not saying it’s worth the horrors of the Trump administration (and what other women’s rights will be abolished). However, I can also empathise. Books like this are everywhere in baby sections of bookshops in USA. My american friend is naturally more conservative than myself although hated Trump and didn’t vote for him previously (she abstained and then she went Biden although she says she seriously regrets) and this time she voted Trump. She said this stuff is now everywhere and it’s constant. She also showed me a baby’s ABC book which included B for bisexual (and literally then described it as people who are sexually attracted to either gender). For babies.

You can’t always tell what their sex was as registered on their birth certificate

Oh, you can.
Always.
Without difficulty.

Brainwashing 5 year olds to not understand the importance and mechanics of sex isn't a good look.

No, it isn't.

And although I'm 100% sure that Trump doesn't really care about this issue himself, his advisors know jolly well that it matters to women voters particularly.

Kamala Harris and the Democrats generally, failed their women voters.

Most Republicans don't care about women's rights per se, but they know how to win votes.

How on earth do you suppose you are able to verify this? Has it not occurred to you that you may well have met trans people not knowing they were trans? How would you know if you did or didn’t?

It’s verifiably not true as a universal statement since people are often mistaken about this. To the extent that there have been sexual assault cases etc. .

The only group of women who voted for trump in a majority were white women.
I think we can surmise why that might be fairly easily and it’s not about children’s books.

Says the person who says your sex isn't set at birth but can't provide us with anything more than 'because people believe they are the wrong sex'.

Come on.

I think that the working class women who voted for Trump care about different women’s rights than progressive, rich professionals that Kamala appeals most to - working class women want good employment rights, maternity leave and pay, good education for children, access to healthcare, help with family caring responsibilities, good jobs for their spouses, effective policing and safe communities. The concerns of working class women are often more bread and butter issues but they still hugely affect the quality of life for most women, and the affect the ability of most women to participate and progress in society, much more so than worrying about ‘glass ceiling’ and identity issues.

Personally, I'm comfortable with the idea that Trump won and women voted for the Republicans.

I'm not a right winger, not a Putin supporter, not a wrestling fan, nothing like that, but when the Democrats and unfortunately our own home grown Labour party support shit like gender ideology and extreme corporate greed, Trump is at least some sort of an alternative.

Should have added that beyond babyhood (where people get it wrong all the time) you can also usually easily tell which children are boys and which are girls. (Since most of our everyday observations about this are entirely social).

How on earth do you suppose you are able to prove this?

By the evidence of my own eyes.

You can always tell a man in dress. They're obvious.

Why don't you look in social media at some pictures of these blokes - they might think they pass as women, but you can always tell they're men.

Gender ideology myth number 7
"You can never tell" (someone's sex)

See also "genital inspections".

Should have added that beyond babyhood (where people get it wrong all the time)......

Excuse me. I was a midwife for forty years. I assure you that it's very, very easy to tell a male baby from a female baby. I never "got it wrong".

I encountered just one baby who had a DSD in that time. Just one, in forty years. And it was immediately apparent at birth that the baby had ambiguous genitalia.

Seriously? You think people get the sex of babies wrong all the time? 😂
Presumably you've never birthed a baby ..

It's also completely falsifiable.

I know if I care about children or not, it's inside of me, I have privileged access to that information.

Telling me something about myself that I know to be false just makes me think you are an idiot and your argument is the argument of an idiot.

I was referring to everyday observations about sex which do not involve direct observation of the genitals. People mistake my baby for a boy all the time.

I encountered just one baby who had a DSD in that time. Just one, in forty years. And it was immediately apparent at birth that the baby had ambiguous genitalia.

You have the logic here backwards- you encountered one baby with ambiguous genitalia, hence you were able to observe that they had a DSD.

Clearly you weren't doing your job properly.

You should have been listening to the very essence of the child.

Your negligence in failing to correctly identify the gender of these children has led to a lifetime of distress which you should be held personally accountable for.

Meanwhile, what was the sex of all those giving birth? I mean sex is not immutable, right?

C'mon. Don't be shy. Say what you mean out loud.

You have the logic here backwards- you encountered one baby with ambiguous genitalia, hence you were able to observe that they had a DSD

Yes. Instead of observing that the baby was male or female. I observed that it was not possible to tell.

Because a baby's sex is observed at birth. Not assigned.

Now you are just being a comedian:

You have the logic here backwards.

Hmm.

EVERYONE ELSE IS WRONG BUT ME.

Hmm.

No selfaware about that then.

I’ve birthed three . All girls. All were easily identified as female at birth. All three were regularly mistaken for boys in everyday contexts until the (older) were around 2 . Since then the older two have never been mistaken for boys. No inspection of genitals or testing of kareoptype required!

But how do we know they are women?

The DSD community fought for many years to make it clear that even where there were malformed external genitalia, children should be treated as the sex they in fact are by doctors. Not "reassigned" to female because, for example, there was no penis, or testes were internal.

Exit polls show that Harris lost the suburban white women vote. That would mean the "men in women's spaces" issue resonated enough that it offset the abortion issue, probably because educated, middle class white women understand how our gov't works so they know that abortion is a state, not federal issue.

Yes but there is highly likely to have been cases where you observed normal looking genitalia , and nonetheless that baby had a DSD, which you didn’t know about. In those cases you will have recorded the baby female, unaware of an XY karyotype etc.

https://people.com/texas-teen-suffering-miscarriage-dies-due-to-abortion-ban-8738512