This is why so many women voted Trump

[BabyLlamaZen]

I’m not saying it’s right, I’m not saying it’s worth the horrors of the Trump administration (and what other women’s rights will be abolished). However, I can also empathise. Books like this are everywhere in baby sections of bookshops in USA. My american friend is naturally more conservative than myself although hated Trump and didn’t vote for him previously (she abstained and then she went Biden although she says she seriously regrets) and this time she voted Trump. She said this stuff is now everywhere and it’s constant. She also showed me a baby’s ABC book which included B for bisexual (and literally then described it as people who are sexually attracted to either gender). For babies.

💔💔💔💔💔. This. This is what is destroying the rights of women and girls. Not children’s books. 😢

So you know what a woman/girl is when it comes to abortion then

Not even women Republicans? Because I feel like they do care about women's rights.

That is highly unlikely, actually. Impossible to be wrong.

If there is any doubt, the baby is immediately referred to a paediatrician for further investigations.

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No inspection of genitals or testing of kareotype required!

Well, as you say, Tandora, your daughters were easily observed to be female, by the inspection of their external genitalia.

How else do you think midwives know the sex of a baby? You inspect the external genitalia.

That is highly unlikely, actually. Impossible to be wrong

This is simply a factually false statement. It is very common that DSDs are not identified at birth.

www.nhs.uk/conditions/differences-in-sex-development/

Do men ever need abortions?

Loads of women wrongly assigned male at birth because they had a penis have been denied abortions. What are you on about.

Tandora is about to supply with with some data on this to demonstrate that sex is not immutable.

It's always the case that DSDs themselves, which are demonstrably extremely rare, are not classifiable just on external inspection. Further tests are always required, to determine whether a baby is male or female.

It's not common that lots of DSDs are simply missed, though.

However, she also lost votes from WC women, Hispanic women, and black women.

Elite white women did vote for her. And elite men. Class seems to be the major factor.

What this shows I think is that, as with many left/right party divisions, the left has become the side of the well off elites, doctors, lawyers, academics. And the right is the side of the workers.

Interestingly the left seems to be clinging on to the claim that they are the faction of the working oppressed, but it sure doesn't look like it. And I think fewer and fewer people are buying it.

The investigation found that this was a case of malpractice, not abortion. She miscarried and became septic because she wasn't treated promptly enough. It had nothing to do with Texas law, which specifically makes exceptions for life-threatening conditions.

It was a failure of the doctors, not the law.

It's not common that lots of DSDs are simply missed, though.

Yes it is.
It is very common to discover them as a teenager when puberty doesn’t start as expected.

I agree and am baffled as to why an election thread has been hijacked and morphed into a trans thread.

Voters weren't interested and voted Trump to put food on the table, put a roof over their head, and find/keep jobs.

Yes it is.
It is very common to discover them as a teenager when puberty doesn’t start as expected

Agreed.
That doesn't mean that DSDs themselves are common though. They're not. The incidence is only about 0.02% to 0.05% of live births.

That's interesting thanks

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It’s the direct consequence of these laws, as are cases of prosecution of miscarriage. This isn’t the first death caused by anti abortion laws and it won’t be the last.

The condition has to become life threatening. It’s not defined in the legislation. It’s bad law. It’s full of threats towards doctors and vague on the meaning of terms used so doctors and hospital administrators are very wary about acting prematurely and risking legal action.

Also, do you mean this dead Texas woman

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/oct/30/texas-woman-death-abortion-ban-miscarriage

or this dead Texas woman

https://people.com/texas-teen-suffering-miscarriage-dies-due-to-abortion-ban-8738512

This.

Poor logic. The sounds used to signify a brick may be assigned, but nobody looks at something and assigns the thing itself to be a brick or a screwdriver. You are confusing the map with the territory and Umberto Eco would have a field day with you ("The Name of the Rose").

Trying to argue that changing a word changes the thing itself, or that when people talk about reality if words were swapped reality would follow, is such a degree of magical thinking I can only interpret it as arguing in bad faith.

As to the discussion about the Democrats enshrining a right to abortion in the Constitution, the last time they had supermajorities in both the House and the Senate (required to unilaterally amend the Constitution) was in the late 1960s. They could have done it then but they didn't and frankly probably wouldn't as many of their own would have also been against Abortion. Remember that much of the public image of the Democrat party is a lie or out of date. Democrats were the party that supported Slavery, they were the party that opposed the Civil Rights act, twas a young Joe Biden that came damn near to managing to block Clarence Thomas from the Supreme Court and who campaigned against mixed-race schooling. More recently, the Democrats had a super-majority in Congress in the early 2010s and could have sent such an amendment to the Senate but it would have required some defecting Republicans in the Senate to pass. I'm not aware that they tried.

All of that said I would have great doubts the Democrat party has motivation to pass such an amendment. They derive great political capital from it not being enshrined as a right. Some people (and there are examples on these forums) would accept all sorts of policies from the Democrats rather than be "for abortion". It's a lucrative wedge issue for the Democrats. It also has far less support than one might think amongst the rank and file Democrat supporters. Keep in mind that whilst people love to say "clump of cells" and "size of a walnut", New York State, Democrat stronghold, allows elective Partial Birth abortion right into Third Trimester. Most people are horrified by that.

To be fair, one that probably commonly isn't apparent until puberty is 5-ARD. There would be no reason at birth to suspect that the child is male, because of the order in which the reporoductive organs are formed. The micropenis will have looked like a clitoris, the scrotum like the outer labia and the testicles will have been inside.... until everything develops as it should have done at puberty.

That's why it's been so controversial in women's sports. However, it should be pretty obvious that anyone who is male, who undergoes male puberty like any other man, should never be allowed in to women's sports. Even if they were accidentally (mis)identified and observed as female at birth.

It beggars belief that Caster Semenya can confidently say "my testicles don't make me any less of a woman" on the BBC and Imane Khalif can file lawsuits which limit reporting about Khalid's testicles and Y chromosome.

This article is a great, sensitive exploration of how difficult it must be growing up with this particular DSD:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-34290981

However, my sympathy drops off a cliff when someone with this condition insists that they partake in women's sports. This is a far more responsible way to handle what must be a difficult decision and experience:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6772989/Intersex-skiing-champion-say-transgender-women-NOT-compete-female-events.html

New York State, Democrat stronghold, allows elective Partial Birth abortion right into Third Trimester. Most people are horrified by that.

New York state law is practically identical to U.K. law. Most of us are fine with that.

⬆️ This was supposed to have been a quote response to a poster who said DSDs could be found at birth.....

I've lost where it was now, apologies! Anyway, the point still stands that it's not always possible to do so, but that this doesn't excuse letting males in to female sports.

Do you know what happens when you have that 24 week limit and free access to safe abortion? 93% are carried out on women up to 12 weeks pregnant. 98% are carried out on women up to 17 weeks pregnant. Allow women to access abortion services and they tend to do so as soon as they can.

I wonder what % of women having abortions after 17 weeks in New York State are actually residents of other states. Women who had to wait until they had the money and the time to travel out of state to get an abortion because their own state has banned it or has a 6 week limit - many women wouldn’t even know they were pregnant by 6 weeks.