This is why so many women voted Trump

[BabyLlamaZen]

I’m not saying it’s right, I’m not saying it’s worth the horrors of the Trump administration (and what other women’s rights will be abolished). However, I can also empathise. Books like this are everywhere in baby sections of bookshops in USA. My american friend is naturally more conservative than myself although hated Trump and didn’t vote for him previously (she abstained and then she went Biden although she says she seriously regrets) and this time she voted Trump. She said this stuff is now everywhere and it’s constant. She also showed me a baby’s ABC book which included B for bisexual (and literally then described it as people who are sexually attracted to either gender). For babies.

...and this is also the point at which people admit that they know that males remain male in spite of their gender identity. This can only be the beginning of the unraveling of all of the rest.

"Kamala is for they/them, Donald Trump is for you" is an absolutely magnificent political attack ad, massive kudos to whoever came up with that. Makes me laugh every time I think of it.

I think more people were influenced in voting for Trump because of this sort of Biden/Harris encouragement of madness than we have been allowed to know through the news.

Your post encapsulates what i was trying to explain a little further up....abortion as a 'lifestyle choice' which can be perceived as essentially anti motherhood, anti -family, and even as anti woman - which is very much associated with a more privileged background and with women who 'identify as' feminists above all else. Women like Kamala Harris.

This type of bleeding heart liberalism turns many people off...because it is all about fluffy, overly feminised " be kind" messaging, and not facing up to harsher realities...Such as sex is real; you cannot change sex, and it is negligent and wilfully damaging for an adult to suggest to a vulnerable child that they can be something they are not.

And it is also ignorant about the real reasons behind the child’s suffering and how they came to feel they are in the wrong sort of body. It is not in the least bit kind.

N+1, innit?

It just sounds like pp has given it all of 5 seconds' thought. Just empty activist mantras and slogans.

The hyperbole and the emotionally manipulative language here is rather surprising considering the lack of evidence that there is very low evidence to the claim that medical gender affirming only treatment improves the long term life outcomes for the children undergoing these treatments.

Children deserve the very best medical care. And this does not mean affirming only treatment as far as the evidence shows.

So all that is left is emotional manipulation and demonising anyone who disagrees. And I always laugh when some posters honestly believe that those regular posters on MN are the uneducated and misinformed ones.

I was chilled by students on elite campuses in the US calling for a "global Intifada." Why would they side with jihadists and do they know what those people have done to women everywhere?

Some women wouldn’t have one themselves but support the right to one for other women nonetheless.

According to this, the ads broke through and Clinton was told they weren't having an impact. But they were:

www.nytimes.com/2024/11/07/us/politics/trump-win-election-harris.html

"About a week after the September debate, Mr. Trump started spending heavily on a television ad that hammered Ms. Harris for her position on a seemingly obscure topic: the use of taxpayer funds to fund surgeries for transgender inmates. “Every transgender inmate in the prison system would have access,” Ms. Harris said in a 2019 clip used in the ad.

It was a big bet: Mr. Trump was leading on the two most salient issues in the race — the economy and immigration — yet here he was, intentionally changing the subject.
But the ad, with its vivid tagline — “Kamala is for they/them. President Trump is for you” — broke through in Mr. Trump’s testing to an extent that stunned some of his aides.

So they poured still more money into the ads, running them during football games, which prompted Charlamagne Tha God, the host of the Breakfast Club, a popular show among Black listeners, to express exasperation — and his on-air complaints gave the Trump team fodder for yet another commercial. The Charlamagne ad ranked as one of the Trump team’s most effective 30-second spots, according to an analysis by Future Forward, Ms. Harris’s leading super PAC. It shifted the race 2.7 percentage points in Mr. Trump’s favor after viewers watched it.
The anti-trans ads cut to the core of the Trump argument: that Ms. Harris was “dangerously liberal” — the exact vulnerability her team was most worried about. The ads were effective with Black and Latino men, according to the Trump team, but also with moderate suburban white women who might be concerned about transgender athletes in girls’ sports.
Those were the same suburban women Ms. Harris was trying to mobilize with ads about abortion.

Democrats struggled to respond. At one point, former President Bill Clinton told an associate, “We have to answer it and say we won’t do it.” He even raised the issue in a conversation with the campaign and was told the Trump ads were not necessarily having an impact, according to two people familiar with his conversations. He never broached the topic publicly.

The Harris team debated internally how to respond. Ads the Harris team produced with a direct response to the “they/them” ads wound up faring poorly in internal tests. The ads never ran.
For the Trump team, the transgender attacks — along with other ads showing Ms. Harris laughing or dancing in a colorful blouse and pink pants — fit into a broader Trump goal: to make her look like a lightweight.
Mr. Trump was already running as a felon. In the eyes of his team, the transgender ads made her look unserious, foolish and outside the political mainstream."

What is prejudiced about wanting evidence-based healthcare for distressed children?

With this post you are invalidating that they are unhappy

Advocating for evidence-based healthcare is not invalidating that gender questioning children are unhappy.

you want to deny them the right to be who they want to be

Stopping children from entering a pathway of irrerversible medical interventions (which don't have an evidence base) is not denying them of any rights.

You could better inform yourself and follow those that have lived this .

This is a fantastic interview with someone who has lived this. It's informative and empathetic towards others who have also felt that they are in the wrong body:

What is heart wrenching is that these children will now possibly have to suffer after so much progress .

Thankfully, the progress that's happening now is towards evidence-based care. The Cass Report was a game-changer in the UK. Its impact is still unfolding here. It's entirely possible that the US election will be the catalyst that finally opens up the conversation over there.

Yes.

Fairness in sport - or lack of it - unlocks everything.

It also highlights why DSDs are a distraction and how they are used to garner sympathy.

Once people see the unfairness in sport for what it is, they are a significant step closer to recognising the dangers of both autogynophilia (why should someone insist that they need to be changing and using toilets with women, when there are women who say no?) and "gender affirming care" (why is it ok for irrerversible, unevidenced medical interventions to be undertaken based on mental distress? We don't staple the stomachs of anorexics and hope they'll feel better about themselves. Why do we experiment with physical fixes for gender identity distress?)

It’s 1% of people - this isn’t true. It’s a media whipped up story to cause division and it’s working

You only need one male in a sporting competition to make the entire competition mixed-sexand the changing rooms and toilets mixed-sex.

What division are you seeing?

I'm seeing far more togetherness than division. Some of it is uncomfortable and hard to fathom e.g. Prisha Moseley talks about how she was led towards transition by a religiously-informed intolerance of "gender non-conformity" (division) but has found far more acceptance from the conservative right in the US (togetherness) than the liberal left since detransitioning.

Hopefully there will be enough of an epiphany in the liberal left to understand that judging and/or denying detransitioners is divisive. Hopefully we'll continue to see more togetherness than division as people wake up to the impact of gender identity belief being enforced as fact. Top priorities should be evidence-based healthcare for people who are distressed by gender dysphoria and fairness/safety for everyone who has been impacted by someone's gender identity being enforced as fact (e.g. sportswomen competing against biological males, trans widows and children of trans-identifying parents).

And yet, there is plenty of reported evidence of males in female sports and displacing female athletes. In the UK we had a period of time one fairly recently where both male and female students protesting gender neutral toilets en masse. And numerous countries all report rapid and huge increases of female children and adolescents registering at gender clinics (rather easy to prove).

Care to point out how what datun said was not true?

Tell me you haven’t read the thread, without telling me…

Tens of thousands of women and children directly affected. There is evidence on the thread.

Yes it's 1% of people, but validating that 1% by saying TWAW affects all women and compromises their sex-based rights. And women (the real kind) are half the population last I checked.

1% of people are super rich, but they have a disproportionate effect on others.

1% of the population.

Or 0.5% who identify as female and affect 50% of the population who are actually female.

When one male walks in a changing room they affect 20 women. This same man repeats this regularly affecting how many women over the course of many years.

On one male HCP who has a job caring for women, some times intimately. How many patients do they have?

It's 1% of the population having a massively disproportionate effect.

Can we please actually contextualise this as we should in practical terms of effect?!

Fair enough I say.

Women know about shelters and how important they are, without ever being beaten.

Women know about rape crisis centers and how important they are, without ever being raped.

Women know about same sex intimate care and how important it is, without ever being assaulted.

Women know about same sex sport and how important it is, without ever being a competitor.

Women know about same sex bathrooms and how important they are, without ever using them.

Women know about same sex jails and important they are, without ever being convicted.

None of those things were given to women.

Women had to advocate for them - because we know what we need.

Women are very good at fighting for we all need.

Fuck the people who take it away.

And I hate Trump. But here we are.

The Democratic Party is responsible for this. Not Biden, not Harris, not the voters, THE PARTY.

The ones who broke it should go.

They are not well placed to fix it.

Can I just point out that Trump won by thin margins .Small percentages . Most educated people don’t feel threatened by the transgender population . It is the religious right and the undereducated . Wait til the Latinos existence starts being questioned . They will have to prove their existence and if their paperwork isn’t just right they could end up in containment camps or prison . This is what is going to happen . Nobody will think of transgender policies then .

What's one percent?

If one man wins a woman only sporting competition, every single woman in that competition gets knocked down a place.

If one man is in a woman's prison, every single woman in there is at risk.

If one school has mixed sex toilets only, every single girl there is at risk.

But...I couldn't give a flying fuck if if it's 0.0001%.

The answer is no. Women don't want it.

If it's that trivial, that easy, that unimportant, then rejecting it out of hand will be barely noticeable. So you needn't worry.