This is why so many women voted Trump

[BabyLlamaZen]

I’m not saying it’s right, I’m not saying it’s worth the horrors of the Trump administration (and what other women’s rights will be abolished). However, I can also empathise. Books like this are everywhere in baby sections of bookshops in USA. My american friend is naturally more conservative than myself although hated Trump and didn’t vote for him previously (she abstained and then she went Biden although she says she seriously regrets) and this time she voted Trump. She said this stuff is now everywhere and it’s constant. She also showed me a baby’s ABC book which included B for bisexual (and literally then described it as people who are sexually attracted to either gender). For babies.

From Kara Dansky

My original post was that percentages don’t matter and it was still thousands of children affected and thousands of women affected. You posted in reply:

Could you please site an actual medical journal where this is the case ?
No, I don’t think so because you are getting your facts out of thin air.
what you write is faceless none sense .

Now you’re claiming it’s only a small number out of the entire population of the US, which is essentially saying it’s only a small percentage. But, as per my original point, people do care that tens of thousands of women and children have been negatively affected, regardless of what percentage of the population that makes.

Do you think tens of thousands of women and children negatively affected by gender ideology in the US alone is insignificant?

Do you also accept that I am not “getting my facts out of thin air”? And it’s not “faceless nonsense”?

Taken from this study
https://blueprint2024.com/polling/why-trump-reasons-11-8/

There’s an article yesterday in the NYT about Democrats playing “The Blame Game” when I read it, there were 5000 comments. About every 3rd comment mentioned identity politics, some explicitly mentioned boys in girls’ sports.

I stole this from notbadconsidering but the comment from “Frank” was among Readers Picks, and not atypical.

it won’t attach, I’ll paraphrase.

I'm guessing the route back to power doesn't go through identity politics, anti-racism, lots of airtime for transgender issues, accusations of sexism, or long diatribes on the importance of equity and diversity
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This is a very small number in the contrast to the population of 346,087,740 . So hardly shocking .

Maybe not to you. Like it or not, it's shocking to others.

Friends who emigrated their daughter was rabid democrat. A few months ago on FB she wrote if you're a republican please unfriend me. She's 44 . Self employed, possibly offending some clients. I couldn't get my head around this.

During COVID she and the family stayed in a republican sunshine state complaining bitterly about the politics whilst living rent free in her father's holiday home complete with swimming pool.

This is when I get confused.

Thanks for info. I don't agree with pp 'a lot of US women don’t give a fuck about women’s rights' otherwise they wouldn't have passed in those states

The state running a ballot on this is democracy too.

In some states they will have passed abortion rights and have gender ideology lessen it's grip.

There aren't many western countries atm that have that together

It’s because sport is important at all levels, even to the youngest girl competing in the most inconsequential school race. It’s important to her and it’s important to her mum and dad. And in every household where parents have a daughter, fairness in competition is important. Boys in girls’ sport at high school level doesn’t affect elite rankings but for that family it matters a lot. And if your school has a policy that allows boys to compete against girls, then you’ll have an opinion on it.

Riley Gaines has done a phenomenal job around this issue as well. Remember when students at uni were trying to physically attack her for talking about fairness in sports?

Believing in political promises and Santa won't lead anyone to make irreversible decisions about their own bodies.

Believing in god might. The Jonestown mass suicide was pretty irreversible, as was the Waco siege/suicide.

Lots of people equate the belief that "we all have a gender identity" with extreme religious belief, such as what happened in Jonestown and Waco.

To any non-believer, God, Santa, gender identity and undelivered political promises are all "lies". Personally, I wouldn't waste time thinking about whether any of these things are lies or facts. People will believe all sorts of things are true and that's fine.

What's not fine is the impact when such beliefs are absorbed as truth in decision-making and laws. Particularly so where vulnerable people who hold these beliefs come to harm.

We have safety nets within societies to catch religious extremism - to stop the perpetration of self or mass harm linked to belief - although unfortunately some does and probably always will slip through.

However, with gender identity belief we have the opposite: men who identify as women are welcomed in to women's sports and distressed children and young people are encouraged on to a pathway to change their bodies to match their belief. However, the tide thankfully seems to be turning as more people recognise the individual and societal harms linked to gender identity belief. It gets radical very quickly, from sharing of preferred pronouns to enforcement and "correction" of language, then self-ID and irreversible medical interventions.

No , your facts are still trivial in comparison to population . You are citing facts that suit your narrow ideology . Perhaps you should read more about those children that are suffering because they do not identify with the sex they were born in to . With this post you are invalidating that they are unhappy and you want to deny them the right to be who they want to be . You could better inform yourself and follow those that have lived this . What is heart wrenching is that these children will now possibly have to suffer after so much progress . Shame on you and your prejudice !

"There are lots of different genders that babies can grow into" FFS

Genders, abortions, those concerns were down the list at this election. As referring to our budget they are here.

I wonder how many democrats quietly without upsetting their democrat family and friends voted for the republican party this time.

I don’t think they were down the list.

*The results paint a clear picture: Democrats were punished for inflation, misalignment on immigration and cultural issues, and Biden. The top three reasons not to vote for Harris were:

1. “Inflation was too high under the Biden-Harris Administration” (+24)
2. “Too many immigrants illegally crossed the border under the Biden-Harris Administration” (+23)
3. “Kamala Harris is focused more on cultural issues like transgender issues rather than helping the middle class” (+17)*

The article

blueprint2024.com/polling/why-trump-reasons-11-8/

Can you point out where I said abortion is the “be all and end all of women’s rights”?

Can you point out where I said abortion is the “be all and end all of women’s rights”?

You quite clearly implied that women who don't support abortion don't care about women's rights. With a nice dismissive reduction of the trans issue as "what pronoun you want to be called".

You are citing facts that suit your narrow ideology

The narrow ideology is yours, and it's never been clearer that most people don't share it.

I have to respect another countries right to choose their own destiny.

The German government collapsed yesterday. Their people will need to address this problem. Who knows how they'll vote next time.

No , your facts are still trivial in comparison to population

There are two types of people.

People who think tens of thousands of children being medically transitioned is a trivial number because of where it sits as a percentage of the population.

And people who are horrified tens of thousands of children are being medically transitioned. Full stop.

Clearly you’re in the first category. What percentage of the total US population would it need to reach before it becomes a concern to you? What percentage of children in the US? How about in other countries where it is also thousands, but in countries with much smaller populations? Like Australia, for instance?

With this post you are invalidating that they are unhappy and you want to deny them the right to be who they want to be

None of my posts do either of these things.

My original post pointed out that this is happening enough at significant enough numbers for people to be bothered by it and affect their voting choice. No one denies these children are unhappy, but there is significant disagreement as to how to help them. Some people think sterilising them and removing their future sexual function is the answer. Many disagree. In the articles above, people report this issue was important to them.

You could better inform yourself and follow those that have lived this

Oh dear. You think I haven’t? I do daily.

Do you think sterilising children and removing their future sexual function is the answer to make these children happier?

What is heart wrenching is that these children will now possibly have to suffer after so much progress

No, what is heart wrenching is these children have been promised something they can’t obtain and will suffer life long consequences as a result, when they should have been given evidence-based compassionate care from the outset, instead of ideology-driven body alteration.

To summarise my questions to you:

What percentage of the total US population would it need to reach before it becomes a concern to you?

Do you think sterilising children and removing their future sexual function is the answer to make these children happier?

The focus on abortion from the Dems gave me a visceral reaction of disgust.

I think abortion is ok, but not something to be celebrated; there is a sanctity to new life which I thought the Democrats missed completely. Whatever your stance, women do it out of necessity, not out of joy. I hate to say it but I think Kamala's childlessness was showing up here. There was a phrase about abortion being "safe, legal and rare" as being the best policy, and I personally think that is right.

The media and the democrats lying about Trump BANNING abortion was ludicrous. He was as clear as you can be that he wasn't banning abortion. Those lies, along with the weird focus on it, wouldn't go down well with most women imo.

Which is very different from saying it’s the “be all and all” of women’s rights.

And anyway - support abortion for themselves or for other women?

Women who don't support abortion don't tend to expect that they'll have one, so it's a moot point.

“As a business owner Bennett is fed up with being hammered by taxes. Her daughter does cheerleading and she wants her protected from “men playing women’s sports”.”

women send a message to Democrats: Don’t patronise us www.thetimes.com/article/3d43a42d-82d7-46a4-bae9-75bc3364778d?shareToken=55a54b70b121ce1f4bdb7121733babca Times article this evening

I think you must know what I really meant, but have chosen to get offended instead.

I've had two terminations myself - in my youth - one aged 15 ,and one at age 23 when already a single parent...who simply could not have coped in any way at all without support, and already very poor and living on the margins.....Though if I'd had the support I may have considered continuing with the pregnancy. It was a very difficult/upsetting thing to have to go through.

What I'm referring to is the perception that some may well have that abortion is ultimately an anti child and anti motherhood decision made by 'career women' and women who want to lead a single, career focused lifestyle. I'm not saying that is necessarily my personal judgment - but it may well be how some perceive it. The "childless cat ladies" of JD Vance's imagination.