This is why so many women voted Trump

[BabyLlamaZen]

I’m not saying it’s right, I’m not saying it’s worth the horrors of the Trump administration (and what other women’s rights will be abolished). However, I can also empathise. Books like this are everywhere in baby sections of bookshops in USA. My american friend is naturally more conservative than myself although hated Trump and didn’t vote for him previously (she abstained and then she went Biden although she says she seriously regrets) and this time she voted Trump. She said this stuff is now everywhere and it’s constant. She also showed me a baby’s ABC book which included B for bisexual (and literally then described it as people who are sexually attracted to either gender). For babies.

Thanks i've also just shared this on another thread. The link with this to twitter with Reines talking is very interesting.

It's funny how sport is such a tipping point for so many people. It's the rank unfairness being forced onto a concept that relies on fairness.

You'd have to be bloody weird, or a frothing misogynist to agree with men in women's sport. In which case, the entire ideology just implodes.

Haven't read this thread, but on another thread I pointed out that it shows that the vote by white women for Trump has dropped this time.

The biggest increase in women's votes for Trump was those from the Hispanic/Latino community. But nothing like the increase in votes from men from that community.

Trump overall didn't get an increase in votes, compared to 2020.

The problem was the huge drop in the Democrate vote ie in the last election Biden got over 80 million (more than either Clinton or Obama who both got just over 65 million) And Harris got 68 million.

One thing is clear that the media both in predictions and after rarely get it right.

The book you’ve shown pictures of is called Being you : A First Conversation About Gender. It’s specifically about gender identity. It’s not a general children’s book that’s trying to shoehorn gender into things. It’s part of a series where each book addresses a different topic. They also look at body image, race, consent and love. No one is making your friend buy it and, as an American, she’ll understand that free speech means that anyone can publish a book of their ideas (including some things that would be banned as offensive in the U.K.)

However your friend chooses to justify her vote, women will die because of it and she’s helped to put a misogynist into the White House.

Reines added that the party just hasn’t been communicating its position on “common sense” policies effectively.

He's deflecting here though. The party continues to be committed to gender ideology and the communication during the electoral race was either keeping quiet about this or covering it up with disinformation to suggest otherwise.

But I don't know what the Democrats can do when so many of them, and especially those at senior levels, are indoctrinated and react extremely badly, if not aggressively, to others trying to explain their own "heretical" views.

Q … I thought was “questioning”

Q was always originally Questioning (ie questioning/not sure on sexuality).

Until the straights who wanted a label to get attention changed it to 'Que*r' (pardon the homophobic slur, but that is what they call it now).

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I have read your story on multiple threads and I'm so glad you're still sharing it in ways that will resonate with people. I have a huge admiration for your strength.

Not everyone on MN is a parent but many are. Of those that aren't, many have siblings or other loved ones who they care about - therefore many people will understand the humanity within your story: the love that you have for your son and the impossible position that you're when trying to maintain your relationship with him.

I hope to never experience this pain myself but I live in fear of doing so. It's the fear that drives me on to support my daughter both directly (less so now, because she seems to be moving away from gender identity thoughts ATM) and indirectly (e.g. using her safeguarding statement to explain to the adults that support her about the conflation of gender identity belief and autism-related puberty distress).

But the influences that pull vulnerable children like my daughter, and vulnerable adults like your son, are everywhere. Lessening the impact of these influences is a priority for parents who want to prevent or mitigate the potential damage that this can do to their children. And no, that doesn't make parents like you and me transphobic.

There are so many reasons why people will vote for Trump. His unequivocal statements that "gender affirming care" should/will not be available to minors is one such reason.

https://allthatsinteresting.com/skoptsy

The Skoptsy were a Russian Christian cult that cut off their sex organs to get closer to God. It's fascinating how cults repeat through the ages.

Oddly enough the Stoptsy died out. Historians are still scratching their heads over the cause of this.

I believe this to be true . My sons Latino friend in America said his mother had voted for Trump for this reason

Hopefully you're seeing the nuances within the discussions on MN? It's not an echo chamber or a place of bigotry and hate when it comes to this subject. Many/most posters recognise the humanity and distress that gender questioning children and young adults feel - and that they deserve access to evidence-based care.

It's great that you said above that you'll read the Cass Report. It's a good place to start. However, perhaps an even better place to start would be Hannah Barnes' book Time to Think.

In her book, she interviews children who have gone on to regret their decisions and also those who are happy. It's a great scene-setter for the Cass Report and for an understanding of why the NHS is now going to do a review of adult gender care services.

It's also useful IMO to look at the diagram below. There is a world of difference between a distressed child/young adult and an autogynophile. Unfortunately though, there is a fine line between the two where heterosexual adolescent boys are drawn towards seeing themselves as sexually attractive females e.g. via gaming communities and avatars. However, for the most part they are victims not perpetrators. This blog from an autogynophile may also be of interest in unpicking that side of things:

https://archive.is/2pQIq

Boom.

This is massive.

Wake up Keir.

This is why a convicted felon, with dubious morals and a revoluting approach to women, has just been elected president.

Fair play to him for listening. I have a reluctant respect for him regarding this.

Hopefully he'll also listen to the people that tell him not to push the big shiny nuclear button, or not to cosy up to world leaders who want to invade countries next to them.

Political promises - why should anyone accept these?

Religion - and do the general population have to act like they also believe the concepts of any religion? And does a typical member of public have to then also use the language of the religion? Does someone have to call any religious figures by their religious title? No? This is not a relevant comparator?

Santa Claus - this is a fictional character. No person who understands this is a fictional character believes this person is real. This is another totally irrelevant comparison.

I am not sure what point is that you are trying to make. None of what you have suggested is relevant to allowing a child to believe they are something that they are materially and objectively not.

And not one of those suggestions are protected from being questioned by any one in society. And valid questions are not considered hate and children still should not be told that they are hated by people who have understood that these treatments have not been shown to improve the life of children.

Well, this is interesting

https://x.com/rileygainess_/status/1854873412063133796?s=46&t=A2fpFNgDRyXF2d6ye97wEA

“Two House democrats have come forward & said they oppose men competing in women's sports.

Both voted in favor of legislation that requires it. One even cosponsored the legislation.

Expect a big shift from democrats of the gender ideology insanity."

It means gay children being convinced that they must be trans because of the homophobia and rigid gender stereotypes, and being pushed down a pathway to harmful and even mutilating and sterilising procedures.

A Harris administration would have doubled down on this evil nonsense. If he’s got the House and the Senate he can give this stuff the boot or severely restrict it.

I also think there is another group of poor and wc women who have often had or considered having abortions, but have felt it as something oppressive rather than liberating.

I have heard a few people discuss their own experiences from a place of having had an abortion for mainly economic reasons, but they are actually not pro-choice to any great extent.

But I haven't really seen this group discussed. I am not sure whether anyone has much idea how many people this might be.

There really does seem to be a very different attitude to abortion depending on social class, reflecting different attitudes to becoming a parent. There is a big gap in the age of a first pregnancy by social class.

And from what I am seeing, the analysis coming out now is that the biggest patterns in voting for this election was around class. High income earners voted for Harris, lower income earners, across race divides, have moved towards Harris.

I think this election has established that a lot of US women don’t give a fuck about women’s rights. Be that Midwest Christian or Latino Catholic.

If I do not have control over my own body and I can’t opt out of having a child I can’t cope with, what pronoun I’m called pales in comparison.

JKR as always is speaking for a lot of people. Her latest:

I wrote the words below in April, about the UK left, and I'm retweeting them today for the benefit of some of the numbskulls in my mentions.

Women like me, and there are a lot of us, aren't and never have been far-right. We simply want the left to wake the hell up, because we're watching it do its utmost to alienate people it used to represent.

I'm not saying Trump's win was down to the gender stuff - I'm not an American voter, so can't judge. In any case, the Labour Party won the last UK election and they've embraced gender identity ideology whole-heartedly (although they won against a Tory government so enfeebled and unpopular it would have been miraculous if they hadn't, and their popularity since gaining office has plummeted.)

What I do know is that millions of women in the UK and across the developed world are extremely angry about men in women's sport, men in women's jails and the erosion of single-sex spaces. Parents are angry at being demonised because they don't want their troubled kids to undergo irreversible medical treatments of extremely questionable benefit. People are sick to the back teeth of being bullied and threatened for refusing to embrace an elitist, academia-generated ideology that's having severe real world consequences. Large swathes of the left continue to be threatening and abusive to anybody who resists their attempts to impose ideological language or bully them out of wrongthink. Leftist activists jeer and sneer at erstwhile female allies for the crime of believing biological sex is real and matters. And leftist leaders still appear more interested in sucking up to gender activists than - to take a topical example in the UK - female nurses whose crime is not wanting to undress in front of a fully intact male. So to those screaming 'bigot' and 'fascist' at me, you should know two things.

Firstly, I'm completely indifferent to your disapproval, as I'd have thought you'd have realised by now. Secondly, and far more importantly, the only thing more harmful to your cause than your pseudo-religious belief in gender identities is your astounding, self-righteous arrogance.

There were some state votes on abortion, how did they go?

Many did pass I think

This is a long thread on Twitter with different commentators giving their opinions on why Trump won. Worth a read ( I'm not going to comment as I think it involved a lot of factors, but some of these pp have v interesting takes on what happened and why )

twitter.com/RachaelWongAus/status/1854755936801636405?s=19

I think this election has established that a lot of US women don’t give a fuck about women’s rights. Be that Midwest Christian or Latino Catholic.

Playing devil's advocate, I think that's a skewed and unhelpful way of looking at it. If you believe human life begins at conception, you're not necessarily going to see it as a "women's right" to have an abortion, however much it affects some women.

It is a women's right. I believe it's important that women can choose to have an abortion. It's not the only women's right. That you think it is the be all and end all of women's rights is your opinion. I think it's clear from the numbers of women who have voted in this election that many of them disagree.

There were ballots on abortion rights in 10 states - and the measures passed in 7 of them.

Including Arizona, Missouri, Nevada and Montana, which Trump won.

This is a very small number in the contrast to the population of 346,087,740 . So hardly shocking .