Imane Khelif medical report reported in Reduxx

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https://reduxx.info/algerian-boxer-imane-khelif-has-xy-chromosomes-and-testicles-french-algerian-medical-report-admits/

The IOC and other sporting authorities do nothing to stop "people with XY chromosomes" taking part in women's sport and, more relevantly, suppress any evidence they have of this happening. So how else do you suggest it be brought out into the open so that people know what:s going in and can express their objection to it?

Proving a bloke is a bloke isn't private medical records. If he hadn't pretended to be female he wouldn't have had this problem.

Genuine question: is Reduxx a legitimate source? I’ve not come across it before. I don’t want to go around quoting a source that is not legitimate. Have any other news outlets picked this up?

There's an article about Khelif in the Independent today, but it doesn't mention this report.

They think that genetic testing would be harmful to the male people with DSDs. They don't mention how not testing is harmful to the female competitors. Women don't matter to them. Men should have everything they want.

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/genetic-testing-sport-international-boxing-association-imane-khelif-b2640885.html

GlomOfNit · Today 11:10

However, much though I'd love to stick the Reduxx article up on my social media, I got slapped down last time I cited something on that site by two of my friends who thought it was 'a bit dodgy' (they are fully paid up TWAW) and now I just think - pffft. I'm tired of pointing out to friends who are entrenched in their blind Be Kind mindsets. I'll have to hope this news hits the media across the board and 'legitimises' it. (and they still won't believe it.)

In your place, I'd post it anyway, with bit about what it shows. If they're too pig headed to understand, or believe it, then that's on them.

And yeah, another one here who is completely unsurprised by this information. I also have no problem with it being revealed, he knows he's a man, but denies it, when it's expedient for him.

I'm sorry, but can you possibly be this naive?

Gosh! Well who would have thought it? 😕 Next please can the Olympics committee do something about their appalling treatment of the females this man was allowed to abuse?

The gender ideologues will still not accept this though. They're too far down the rabbit hole.

Would be better if someone other than redduxx picked it up.

I look forward to the new World Boxing (as opposed to World Boxing Corporation) releasing their sex category participation rules which, I think, are due soon now that this leak is out. I suspect that it will be very difficult for them to allow these boxer’s inclusion now. But they might double down. They might try to fob people off with the ‘we will review further as more science becomes available’.

I hope that WB puts a stop to this though. Imagine being a female boxer scheduled to bout with Khelif. It must be very stressful.

There is an obvious incentive for sports promotors to seek out similar people.

In the absence of chromosome testing, and with defining women's categories in sport by testosterone levels, they are more likely to win and are less of a risk.

Shocking absolutely nobody!

Societal gaslighting of the highest order. His defendants (and I include people on here) should be ashamed of themselves. But they won’t be.

My opinion is they did know but virtue signalling was more important to them.

What absolute bollocks (lol). He’s just a cheat.

Boys whose gender may be slightly ambiguous at birth don't just happen to find themselves in womens sport at a high level and being very successful.
There are unscrupulous coaches and sporting organisations who look for these people and deliberately push them to train and compete.
As well as the IOC etc it should be these people who are stopped

Khelif is now seeking to become professional...presumably in the female category.

This reminds me of how kind we all were about Caster Semenya years ago, and how we thought how terrible it must have been to be brought up as a girl and then suddenly find you are a man.

Then it became clear that men with 46 XY 5 ARD go through male puberty and their voices break and they develop typically male bodies (but with undescended testicles).

Then it emerged that Semenya was tested aged 18 and has known for a fact since then that he was male. Then he published a photo of himself in his autobiography wearing nothing but swimming trunks aged 15. Teenage girls generally don't share topless photos of themselves, or go topless swimming with their friends.

It's almost as if he always knew he was male but was happy to sort of pretend to be female when necessary to cheat women out of gold medals. I think Khelif has a similar have your cake and eat it attitude.

Well they have us all over a barrel then, don't they?

The kind of source that would be 'accepted' is not going to pick this up.

So what can we do?

Reduxx is unpopular amongst supposedly progressive types because it's single-mindedly dedicated towards covering the most harmful impacts of sex denialism and is entirely unapologetic about "misgendering" and "deadnaming", the two most horrifying sins in the transgenderist belief system. But their journalism is generally very high quality and they research their articles thoroughly.

TheKeatingFive · Today 13:17

The kind of source that would be 'accepted' is not going to pick this up.

I expect that the Mail, Telegraph and Times are likely to run the story and the Guardian, Independent and BBC will give it a stout leaving alone.

You’re too kind. I thought that at first but having looked at some of the imbecilic comments on SM, I’ve concluded that many people who believe in gender ideology are just thick.

What I’d like is for all the hand-wringing celebs who kept saying that IK was a biological woman to be made to admit they were wrong. I’d also like corrections to all the media articles that said IK was a biological female.

It was patently bloody obvious what IK’s sex was and the fact some people wouldn’t see it is enraging.

There are plenty of people who still don't accept that Semenya is male. This will go exactly the same way unfortunately.

I despair

I agree with you. I've always had more sympathy for IK than Caster Semenya.

The medical report states that IK identifies 'pleinement', totally, as female, he has never thought of himself as male.
To the poster who wondered how he could think that if he had testicles - the medical report says that the are undescended testicles, only identified by an MRI. So IK didn't have what he, or his family, would have perceived as male genitalia. So I believe that IK and his family genuinely thought he was a girl, and even though his body changed during puberty - hence the unfair advantage in the boxing ring - he still didn't have male genitalia.

Outside of the ring, he presents as a quietly spoken person and he has mannerisms that are consistent with having been brought up as a girl - he doesn't do the 'do it like a dude' public bravado of Caster Semenya.

I agree that he was ' ill-used' because his prowess in the ring was highly politicised and he got state support and subsidies to go to Paris to get Algeria a gold medal, no ifs, buts, or biological facts could get in the way. He was/is a big sporting icon in his country

Of course he should have called a halt to it all when he got the medical reports about his 'chromosomal abnormalities', but everybody around him was egging him on to ignore it and get that gold medal, of course you're a woman, a proud Algerian women, don't listen to those nasty enemies of Algeria- Morocco was blamed at the time! - we'll sue them for saying you're not a woman.

He wasn't brave enough to say no, no to the Algerian Olympic Council, no to his family, no the the President of Algeria, no, this all has to stop, it's cheating, let me go back to obscurity and poverty and somehow I'll work out who and what I am...
I'm not sure I'd be that brave either, to be honest.

He didn't get the testing he needed as a baby to identify that he is in fact male; he didn't get the treatment he needed as a child to clarify his sex; he didn't get the support he needed when he found out that he is not female; he was manipulated by political and sporting bodies; now his medical records have been made public.

The real victims, in sporting terms, are the women who were forced to fight against a man in the Olympics, and who were cheated out of medals.
But I also feel sorry for IK.

This came up at time at the dinner table with my teenage DSD and I had to just move the conversation on rather than getting into it.

She is TWAW and believes all sorts of shite, frankly, with no evidence, having “seen something on TikTok.”

As a general rule of ethics, I also would normally say that publishing someone's private medical information was a step too far.

However, in this case the individual has taken advantage of privacy to lie, threaten and potentially put others at risk by using their male advantage to compete in female sport.

So, yes Michelle, I agree that when they go low we go high, but there's low and there's so low that it can't be borne.

Ironically, the lying was completely unnecessary since the IOC would have been happy for IK to compete in the female category with full disclosure of their medical condition.