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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
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MaggieBsBoat · 04/11/2024 10:26

What a surprise!

Hope my friends who basically spurned me for even suggesting that he isn’t a woman read some more on this.

Pixilicious1 · 04/11/2024 10:31

What a bloody shock! Everyone knew this at the time, they just don’t care about women.

TempestTost · 04/11/2024 10:38

Not everyone - several people I talked to about this had no idea, and in fact would not believe it.

Snowypeaks · 04/11/2024 10:42

Thanks, @RadicalisedPastThePointOfSalvation
I have saved that.

All the authorities involved knew for certain that Khelif is male. But the principle of inclusion was more important than the safety and medal aspirations of women athletes.

INeedAPensieve · 04/11/2024 10:42

Oh what a surprise. Not. I'll be sending this to friends who told me it was a russian conspiracy and it was a shame on the "poor woman".

Despite me showing them the pictures that clearly showed it was a man. And how about Algerian Muslim woman would never have hugged her male coach to her chest or sat astride their shoulders. Then of course there was the picture of him training with an actual woman in her hijab (him of course with no hijab). Unclear what their chromosomes are my backside...

Mainoo72 · 04/11/2024 10:46

He’s such a cheat. I hope his Olympic medal is stripped.

RadicalisedPastThePointOfSalvation · 04/11/2024 10:47

TempestTost · 04/11/2024 10:38

Not everyone - several people I talked to about this had no idea, and in fact would not believe it.

Yes I definitely saw social media posts/stories with outrage for this “poor woman”, often amongst people who would never normally post on that kind of thing so it definitely had “cut through” as they say.

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MissAnthr0pe · 04/11/2024 10:47

Confirmed what every sensible person knew all along...

WarriorN · 04/11/2024 10:52

I've just donated because Reduxx are the only news outlet who centre the rights of women and girls.

Igmum · 04/11/2024 10:58

The problem is they don't care. If IK had been a TW they would have still let him beat up women. Still the more sunlight on this the better. Come on mainstream media, give this the oxygen of publicity.

HerGorgeousMajestyArabellaScott · 04/11/2024 11:03

No shit.

Well done, Reduxx. I hope this gets blasted across all media and all those commenters who said he was a woman realise they were cheering for a bloke punching women in the face.

JeremiahBullfrog · 04/11/2024 11:06

Igmum · 04/11/2024 10:58

The problem is they don't care. If IK had been a TW they would have still let him beat up women. Still the more sunlight on this the better. Come on mainstream media, give this the oxygen of publicity.

Quite. Even if the story were to surface again in the wider media, they'd find some way to justify his participation. Which doubtless would conveniently ignore their previous justification that all claims of his being male were simply horrible lies. When you believe in fantasies you don't care about shifting the goal posts.

GlomOfNit · 04/11/2024 11:10

Oh no shit, Sherlock. Hmm

However, much though I'd love to stick the Reduxx article up on my social media, I got slapped down last time I cited something on that site by two of my friends who thought it was 'a bit dodgy' (they are fully paid up TWAW) and now I just think - pffft. I'm tired of pointing out to friends who are entrenched in their blind Be Kind mindsets. I'll have to hope this news hits the media across the board and 'legitimises' it. (and they still won't believe it.)

Helleofabore · 04/11/2024 11:24

Wow! I am surprised!! Not. I just archived the French article (it was archived 3 days ago though).

BecauseRonald · 04/11/2024 11:26

No surprises for the women of this board- we have seen it before.

Receiving such a diagnosis must have been very very tough but she had good, sensitive, compassionate medical advice which she chose to ignore. She must have known the truth would out and that the humiliation of the public discussing such private matters wouldn't make up for the high of the medal. I wonder if she's in denial? Or maybe being encouraged/ pushed by family and coaches? Or cynically in for whatever she can get?

I'm sad and angry at the path she has chosen. The images of a man punching a woman against a background of cheering crowds are the worst thing I've ever seen at the Olympics.

lifeturnsonadime · 04/11/2024 11:26

Everyone KNEW this. Everyone and they didn't give a shit because women don't matter enough.

StrongFemaleCharacter · 04/11/2024 11:26

My TWAW friend thinks that women can be XY and have testicles so not everyone will be swayed by this.

Datun · 04/11/2024 11:27

I'm glad it's out in the open now, but I doubt it will make any difference to his medals.

However, the IOC must now know that they are under the bloody spotlight for every, single man they let compete as a woman.

Hopefully the fact that not testing the sex of their competitors means they let men beat up women will be used to make them do it.

I know they want to ban boxing at the Olympics, but they can't wriggle out of it on that basis, because it's not just boxing, obviously.

EdithStourton · 04/11/2024 11:30

Colour me fucking surprised.

lcakethereforeIam · 04/11/2024 11:30

This bit

The report concludes by recommending Khelif be referred for “surgical correction and hormone therapy,” to help him physically align with his self-perceived gender identity, and adds that psychological support would be required because the results had caused a “very significant neuropsychiatric impact.”

made me have the slightest soupçon of sympathy for him. I can only think because I'm a little soft in the head. Then I read back, the tests were done in 2923, and any sympathy I had evaporated.

However, I don't think he's the real or, maybe, only villain here. He was enabled, even encouraged by a whole rotten apparatus.

Then there's the other guy, Taiwan's Lin Yu-ting. Khelif doesn't seem to have been the only male cheat in the boxing. I don't think it's right that Lin Yu-ting should escape scrutiny. I'm not sure why that's happened.

Helleofabore · 04/11/2024 11:32

StrongFemaleCharacter · 04/11/2024 11:26

My TWAW friend thinks that women can be XY and have testicles so not everyone will be swayed by this.

Maybe not, but will the authorities listen. That is the main thing. That never again will male people be entered into a female boxing bout and if in doubt a thorough testing process is used to verify being a person with the body formed around producing large gametes and not one with testes producing testosterone that the athlete’s body uses to vitalise.

lifeturnsonadime · 04/11/2024 11:32

Yes my sympathy for him vanishes at the point that he knows he has unfair advantage and could seriously hurt a woman yet does so anyway.

He could compete as a male or not at all.

He has been used, no doubt, but he does have autonomy.

BigFrau · 04/11/2024 11:33

BecauseRonald · 04/11/2024 11:26

No surprises for the women of this board- we have seen it before.

Receiving such a diagnosis must have been very very tough but she had good, sensitive, compassionate medical advice which she chose to ignore. She must have known the truth would out and that the humiliation of the public discussing such private matters wouldn't make up for the high of the medal. I wonder if she's in denial? Or maybe being encouraged/ pushed by family and coaches? Or cynically in for whatever she can get?

I'm sad and angry at the path she has chosen. The images of a man punching a woman against a background of cheering crowds are the worst thing I've ever seen at the Olympics.

Who are you referring to as 'she' in this scenario?

Helleofabore · 04/11/2024 11:34

BecauseRonald · 04/11/2024 11:26

No surprises for the women of this board- we have seen it before.

Receiving such a diagnosis must have been very very tough but she had good, sensitive, compassionate medical advice which she chose to ignore. She must have known the truth would out and that the humiliation of the public discussing such private matters wouldn't make up for the high of the medal. I wonder if she's in denial? Or maybe being encouraged/ pushed by family and coaches? Or cynically in for whatever she can get?

I'm sad and angry at the path she has chosen. The images of a man punching a woman against a background of cheering crowds are the worst thing I've ever seen at the Olympics.

This male boxer had all the facts and chose to deliberately act this way. You can empathise all you like but this needs to be acknowledged. Before getting into the ring, this person understood they were male and had even been excluded from two boxing federations bouts because of it.

puffyisgood · 04/11/2024 11:40

i don't necessarily blame IK, who could conceivably consider herself to be 'intersex' or 'nonbinary' or whatever, it's probably understandable that she'd compete against women if given the chance given that same sex competition would leave no prospect of international success.

the blame lies entirely with the IOC, who had access to all of the information and resources they needed to reach a sensible decision, but blew it completely.