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Trans activists gatecrash women's rights rally as they protest speech by Kellie-Jay Keen at 'Let Women Speak' event in the home of suffragette Emily Davison

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IwantToRetire · 14/10/2024 00:29

Trans activists gatecrashed a women's rights rally held in the hometown of suffragette Emily Davison today.

Around 70 women gathered in Carlisle Park, Morpeth, Northumberland, this afternoon for a Let Women Speak (LWS) event, spearheaded by women's rights campaigner Kellie-Jay Keen, aka Posie Parker.

But they were met by counter demonstrators shouting through megaphones, who wore masks, waved flags and held placards which read: 'Transwomen are women'.

Organiser of LWS, Posie Parker, took the microphone and said: 'Some women are coming to speak using some words, and some spoiled brats are trying to stop us.

'We just want to speak about our rights. We want to speak about our spaces, our sports, our children, our safety.

Those people over there are from the elites and are trying to shut us up.

'Most of us are from relatively normal families who have to pay a mortgage, pay bills.

'They haven't sent us to a nice university to mess around with our fees and our grants and to come and harass middle-aged women.'

During the speeches, the counter protestors shouted: 'You're not radical, you're just d*heads.'

They blew whistles in an attempt to drown out the gathering and also shouted 'get off the stage' and 'get some new material'.

As Ms Parker took the microphone, she was branded a 'fascist' by the counter group.

A handful of women spoke about issues including schools, women's rights and the concept of being non-binary.

This is only bits from an article at https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13955045/trans-gatecrash-womens-rally-home-suffragette-emily-davison.html

I cant find anything else about this, but its quite late and I'm a bit tired so may have missed something.

Looks like the police weren't that well prepared, or had thought not many would turn up.

A real shame, as (no insult to Morpeth) going to smaller places is a positive action by LWS. Rather than assuming everybody can get to the nearest big city.

Hope everyone is okay.

Trans activists gatecrash women's rights rally

Around 70 women gathered in Carlisle Park, Morpeth, Northumberland, for a Let Women Speak (LWS) event, spearheaded by women's rights campaigner Kellie-Jay Keen.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13955045/trans-gatecrash-womens-rally-home-suffragette-emily-davison.html

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SinnerBoy · 21/10/2024 12:20

lcakethereforeIam · Today 11:46

Homonyms, my dear Well that, a childish sense of humour and a, possibly, sketchy grasp of pronunciation.

Ah! I'd already seen that and resisted!

lcakethereforeIam · 21/10/2024 12:27

I know, right! I should feel ashamed. Perhaps if I'd written that article I would be. I can only think that years of teaching kids under that name has given them a hide like a rhino.

Tallisker · 21/10/2024 12:29

Yvonne who? Oh 😁

Tallisker · 21/10/2024 12:33

I can resist anything except temptation.

And, SinnerBoy, have you had a wrist slapping for being untoward about barristers? Grin

LifeInAHamsterWheel · 21/10/2024 13:46

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 14/10/2024 15:45

Actually, to come back to this point, trans activists believe that the protected characteristic of biological sex should not be allowed to exist.

That is, their position is that the protected characteristic of sex in the Equality Act should mean legal sex, not biological sex. They have said, multiple times, out loud, that the Equality Act should not be amended to clarify that "sex" means biological sex, because this would be prejudicial to trans people who have changed their legal sex. (Even though those people have their own protected characteristic.)

This is important when it comes to single sex spaces, because if "sex" means legal sex then the single sex exemptions in the Equality Act could not be used to exclude trans people with a gender recognition certificate (despite this being the clear intention of parliament when the legislation was drafted). This means that rape crisis centres providing single sex services for female rape survivors would not legally be allowed to refuse a trans woman with a gender recognition certificate access to women's rape crisis groups. It means that Mridul Wadhwa could apply for any job advertised for a female candidate and bring a discrimination claim if he were not appointed. (Admittedly these organisations are already applying Stonewall law rather than the actual law, but it is clear that trans activists want Stonewall law to be the actual law.)

It also means that if a woman discovers that she is being paid less than her male colleague who does the same job, but that male colleague identifies as a woman and has a gender recognition certificate, she cannot use that colleague as an example of someone of the opposite sex who is being paid more than her for the basis of her discrimination claim. Even if the reason why that person is being paid more than her is because she is the only one of the two who can get pregnant.

Let's be very clear about this.

Trans activists don't just believe that it should be fine to discriminate against women who don't share their beliefs. (And quite apart from the swathe of gender critical unfair dismissal claims working their way through the employment tribunals, there is a trans identifying person on Twitter who claims to work in recruitment for the NHS who openly says they won't hire anyone they suspect of being even remotely TERFy.)

No, it goes beyond that.

They don't think that female people should be allowed to have a protected characteristic at all unless it includes male people. They don't think we should be allowed to exist in law at all. (We will, of course, continue to exist in reality, if not in law, as a group of people they will never be part of.)

As an Irishwoman, living in Ireland, this is what terrifies me the most. THIS is our reality now, since our government amended our EA in 2020 by removing the word SEX as a protected characteristic and replacing it with the word GENDER (not reassignment or anything, just the concept). But we don't actually have a legal definition of Gender in Irish legislation! And we can see where that might lead.

IwantToRetire · 21/10/2024 17:21

I partly posted because, as is so often the case, an article like this is not open to comments.

So as much to show that even locally the trans agenda is prioritised.

Not that I have any idea who the writer is.

Is anyone prepared to be less cryptic?

Particularly if it raises legitimate concerns to write to the editor.

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SinnerBoy · 21/10/2024 18:19

Tallisker ·Today 12:33

I can resist anything except temptation.
And, SinnerBoy, have you had a wrist slapping for being untoward about barristers?

I think that is probably the case. I've been really careful since last summer, too, since I got a suspension.

BezMills · 21/10/2024 20:01

Lol at the self appointed mumsnet PCSOs making sure we behave while they sit in the toxic misogynist nonsense of the reddits.

quantumbutterfly · 23/10/2024 01:15

IwantToRetire · 14/10/2024 17:59

Was surprised to see the thread I started late last night had got what seemed to be a fair number of posts.

But having got to the end of page 1 I see it is the usual derailing action.

Just dont understand why anyone responds. This particular "fact" has been used on other threads.

What I was going to post is that although the DM made the actions of the TRA seem quite dramatic, in fact it looks like they couldn't and didn't drown out women.

So the event was another sucess for the very positive concept of "Let Women Speak".

And I am sure many of the women made valuable contributions and they may have been referenced in some of the comments.

But sadly I just cant be bothered with the derail.

So thanks to KJK for sticking to her concept.

And will try and find time to listen to the women you took part via youtube

Its almost as though the derailers are working in tandem with those trying to down out women's voices at a free speech event.

This reference by one of the speakers caught my eye.

https://www.caringaboutdignity.org/

Caring About Dignity

Advocating for dignity in care. We amplify testimonies from people about their experiences of single-sex care.

https://www.caringaboutdignity.org

POWNewcastleEastWallsend · 23/10/2024 02:55

quantumbutterfly luckily the live stream does not pick up the loud chanting of some scruffy young men, presumably from the local "anti-fascist" and "anarchist" groups, among the sixteen-strong trans activist contingent.

At one point you can see Florence Waller from "Caring About Dignity" scowling fiercely as she turns up the volume to be heard over them.

At no point did Florence mention anything about "trans" or gender identity ideology. That was not what her talk was about. It was about the most vulnerable women and girls being attacked by male carers: sexual predators.

Yet while she was speaking about young women with severe disabilities and elderly women with Alzheimers who had been raped and sexually assaulted by male carers, they tried to drown her out by yelling, "We are coming to shit in your toilets! We are coming to shit in your toilets!"

It was a grotesquely revealing example of transactivism providing cover for an aggressive Men's Sexual Rights Movement. Disturbing and chilling.

I have heard Florence talk before and read everything on the Caring About Dignity website. It includes how gender identity ideology contributes to sexual predators gaining access to vulnerable women and girls, by local councils refusing to record the sex of clients and carers. Those men would not have known that though.

All they heard was Florence talking about men raping and sexually assaulting the most vulnerable women and girls and they wanted to shut her up. They tried to do it by repeatedly shouting an obscene threat at the women who were there.

I wish I had a recording of them. Every time I see the pitiful pleading of, "We just want to pee in peace!" by dolled-up transactivists on TV I would want to clip that and segue to those bearded yobs screaming, "We're coming to shit in your toilets!"

There are a lot of forces working to promote gender identity ideology for their own purposes. Those men and others like them are no less sinister than pharmaceutical companies bribing politicians.

There are a lot more of them than there are men clumping about in high heels and cheap wigs and it is not just our toilets that they want to get into and shit all over our rights to safety, dignity, privacy and bodily autonomy.

This is Florence's speech:

https://www.youtube.com/live/6O7K8HO7Nts?t=1893s

(Edited for typos)

quantumbutterfly · 23/10/2024 09:15

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CatsandBeer · 26/10/2024 17:22

Counter article written by a local woman has been published in North East Bylines:

northeastbylines.co.uk/news/opinion/why-do-we-still-need-to-let-women-speak/

IwantToRetire · 26/10/2024 22:06

CatsandBeer · 26/10/2024 17:22

Counter article written by a local woman has been published in North East Bylines:

northeastbylines.co.uk/news/opinion/why-do-we-still-need-to-let-women-speak/

Good to see, and good that a newspaper is open to publishing opposing opinions.

Looks like quite a few national newspapers could learn this principle for this local paper!

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ArabellaScott · 27/10/2024 13:25

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand they pulled it.

https://x.com/LWSNorthEast/status/1850513297465884938

'North East Byline pulls the plug and deletes biological sex realist’s letter of opinion.
@Rebecca_Stanton
had her letter published a few days ago, her letter has now been deleted, along with the post on X… Never has #LetWomenSpeak had more meaning… '

x.com

https://x.com/LWSNorthEast/status/1850513297465884938

ArabellaScott · 27/10/2024 13:26

The link posted here now redirects to a different article about IWD.

eatfigs · 27/10/2024 15:30

Sad to see that no-one archived the article. It really is gone.

POWNewcastleEastWallsend · 27/10/2024 15:50

eatfigs · 27/10/2024 15:30

Sad to see that no-one archived the article. It really is gone.

See this post and the one above it:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5179053-let-women-speak-morpeth-northumberland-sun-13-oct?reply=139349725

ArabellaScott · 27/10/2024 15:58

eatfigs · 27/10/2024 15:30

Sad to see that no-one archived the article. It really is gone.

Bugger. Archive.org has been down for a while (back now, last time I checked) and archive.ph has been spinning and not working for me for ages.

POWNewcastleEastWallsend · 27/10/2024 16:11

ArabellaScott · 27/10/2024 15:58

Bugger. Archive.org has been down for a while (back now, last time I checked) and archive.ph has been spinning and not working for me for ages.

Ghostarchive still works. I was too late with Becks' article but it was still open in my browser so I printed it to PDF and then exported the pages as images.

eatfigs · 27/10/2024 16:22

Thank you 🙏🏽

IwantToRetire · 27/10/2024 21:17

ArabellaScott · 27/10/2024 13:25

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand they pulled it.

https://x.com/LWSNorthEast/status/1850513297465884938

'North East Byline pulls the plug and deletes biological sex realist’s letter of opinion.
@Rebecca_Stanton
had her letter published a few days ago, her letter has now been deleted, along with the post on X… Never has #LetWomenSpeak had more meaning… '

Has there been an explanation???

And to think I was praising them for showing the nationals how to be even handed.

Sad
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POWNewcastleEastWallsend · 28/10/2024 16:00

IwantToRetire · 27/10/2024 21:17

Has there been an explanation???

And to think I was praising them for showing the nationals how to be even handed.

Sad

They have had complaints that it "violates their zero tolerance policy".

I guess that is "zero tolerance of women speaking", much like the Taliban.

Images of article before it was pulled are here:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5179053-let-women-speak-morpeth-northumberland-sun-13-oct?reply=139349725

They say it is "temporarily unpublished" while they review it and decide if they can republish.

Perhaps "dare republish" would have been more honest . . . as in "Dare To Be Honest" 😏

IwantToRetire · 28/10/2024 17:37

Every day is a learning day in how the english language can be mangled and made baffling and - where's the plain English campaign when we need them?!

violates their zero tolerance policy - ie their zero tolerance of nothing other than TRA proselytising!!!!!!!!!!!!!

temporarily unpublished - so unfathomable I cant grasp it. Are they in fact so aware that they have fallen foul of the trans taliban that they are trying to make out it was a mechanicla or technology hitch and no human was involved in this "violation". What's wrong with saying withdrawn whilst we consider if we can be seen to support women's rights.

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Crystaltipsandalistaire · 22/06/2025 10:02

Dysphoria is a real issue. Celebrating or accepting dysphoria is like welcoming depression and anxiety into your life.

BezMills · 22/06/2025 10:51

Crystaltipsandalistaire · 22/06/2025 10:02

Dysphoria is a real issue. Celebrating or accepting dysphoria is like welcoming depression and anxiety into your life.

I don't follow how that follows from any of the previous posts made 8 months ago?