Trans activists gatecrash women's rights rally as they protest speech by Kellie-Jay Keen at 'Let Women Speak' event in the home of suffragette Emily Davison

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Trans activists gatecrashed a women's rights rally held in the hometown of suffragette Emily Davison today.

Around 70 women gathered in Carlisle Park, Morpeth, Northumberland, this afternoon for a Let Women Speak (LWS) event, spearheaded by women's rights campaigner Kellie-Jay Keen, aka Posie Parker.

But they were met by counter demonstrators shouting through megaphones, who wore masks, waved flags and held placards which read: 'Transwomen are women'.

Organiser of LWS, Posie Parker, took the microphone and said: 'Some women are coming to speak using some words, and some spoiled brats are trying to stop us.

'We just want to speak about our rights. We want to speak about our spaces, our sports, our children, our safety.

Those people over there are from the elites and are trying to shut us up.

'Most of us are from relatively normal families who have to pay a mortgage, pay bills.

'They haven't sent us to a nice university to mess around with our fees and our grants and to come and harass middle-aged women.'

During the speeches, the counter protestors shouted: 'You're not radical, you're just d*heads.'

They blew whistles in an attempt to drown out the gathering and also shouted 'get off the stage' and 'get some new material'.

As Ms Parker took the microphone, she was branded a 'fascist' by the counter group.

A handful of women spoke about issues including schools, women's rights and the concept of being non-binary.

This is only bits from an article at https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13955045/trans-gatecrash-womens-rally-home-suffragette-emily-davison.html

I cant find anything else about this, but its quite late and I'm a bit tired so may have missed something.

Looks like the police weren't that well prepared, or had thought not many would turn up.

A real shame, as (no insult to Morpeth) going to smaller places is a positive action by LWS. Rather than assuming everybody can get to the nearest big city.

Hope everyone is okay.

Just gonna use this thread as a handy place to store my notes after being advised to make a report to police earlier

www.college.police.uk/app/major-investigation-and-public-protection/hate-crime/responding-hate

Hate crime prosecution
A hate crime prosecution is any hate crime which has been charged by the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) in the aggravated form or where the prosecutor has assessed that there is sufficient evidence of the hostility element to be put before the court when the offender is sentenced.
Hostility
The term ‘hate’ implies a high degree of animosity. The term ‘hate crime’ is a globally and historically recognised term which is widely used. Our definition, however, and the legislation it reflects, requires that the crime or incident involves demonstration of or is motivated (wholly or partially) by hostility or prejudice which may set a lower threshold than the term ‘hate’ may suggest.
The CPS(opens an external website in the same tab) gives the following guidance to prosecutors.
In the absence of a precise legal definition of hostility, consideration should be given to ordinary dictionary definitions, which include ill-will, ill-feeling, spite, contempt, prejudice, unfriendliness, antagonism, resentment, and dislike.

I don't know if police would consider it as going beyond simple hostility however, as the video is actually advising others to discriminate on matters of housing for eg. on the basis of trans status. That aspect of promoting discrimination from others would seem to be a more serious issue.

Let's cut to the chase.

In order for something to be a hate crime, it needs to first be a crime.

What crime do you believe Kellie-Jay Keen has committed?

(She's been the victim of a fair few crimes committed by trans activists, of course.)

Their protected status infringes on the rights of other groups. That's the problem.

Yes, it's complete discrimination that actual women's safe spaces are completely under threat as is their freedom of speech to express their very valid concerns.

Trans people don't actually HAVE protected status.

It is gender reassignment that is the protected status.

Actually, to come back to this point, trans activists believe that the protected characteristic of biological sex should not be allowed to exist.

That is, their position is that the protected characteristic of sex in the Equality Act should mean legal sex, not biological sex. They have said, multiple times, out loud, that the Equality Act should not be amended to clarify that "sex" means biological sex, because this would be prejudicial to trans people who have changed their legal sex. (Even though those people have their own protected characteristic.)

This is important when it comes to single sex spaces, because if "sex" means legal sex then the single sex exemptions in the Equality Act could not be used to exclude trans people with a gender recognition certificate (despite this being the clear intention of parliament when the legislation was drafted). This means that rape crisis centres providing single sex services for female rape survivors would not legally be allowed to refuse a trans woman with a gender recognition certificate access to women's rape crisis groups. It means that Mridul Wadhwa could apply for any job advertised for a female candidate and bring a discrimination claim if he were not appointed. (Admittedly these organisations are already applying Stonewall law rather than the actual law, but it is clear that trans activists want Stonewall law to be the actual law.)

It also means that if a woman discovers that she is being paid less than her male colleague who does the same job, but that male colleague identifies as a woman and has a gender recognition certificate, she cannot use that colleague as an example of someone of the opposite sex who is being paid more than her for the basis of her discrimination claim. Even if the reason why that person is being paid more than her is because she is the only one of the two who can get pregnant.

Let's be very clear about this.

Trans activists don't just believe that it should be fine to discriminate against women who don't share their beliefs. (And quite apart from the swathe of gender critical unfair dismissal claims working their way through the employment tribunals, there is a trans identifying person on Twitter who claims to work in recruitment for the NHS who openly says they won't hire anyone they suspect of being even remotely TERFy.)

No, it goes beyond that.

They don't think that female people should be allowed to have a protected characteristic at all unless it includes male people. They don't think we should be allowed to exist in law at all. (We will, of course, continue to exist in reality, if not in law, as a group of people they will never be part of.)

Was surprised to see the thread I started late last night had got what seemed to be a fair number of posts.

But having got to the end of page 1 I see it is the usual derailing action.

Just dont understand why anyone responds. This particular "fact" has been used on other threads.

What I was going to post is that although the DM made the actions of the TRA seem quite dramatic, in fact it looks like they couldn't and didn't drown out women.

So the event was another sucess for the very positive concept of "Let Women Speak".

And I am sure many of the women made valuable contributions and they may have been referenced in some of the comments.

But sadly I just cant be bothered with the derail.

So thanks to KJK for sticking to her concept.

And will try and find time to listen to the women you took part via youtube

Its almost as though the derailers are working in tandem with those trying to down out women's voices at a free speech event.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · Today 12:31

In Auckland a trans activist punched a 70 year old woman in the head and fractured her skull. He got off with a rap over the knuckles and lifelong anonymity.

Not even a rap on the knuckles, more of a:

There, there, darling! The horrid lady has gone back to nasty Terf Island and can't upset you any more. You were wrong, but we understand. Sit on the naughty step for five minutes, then Mummy will give you warm milk and a choccy biccy and we can forget aaaaallll about it.

suggestionsplease1 · Today 14:28

Try reading the Equality Act 2010 sometime eh?

I suggest that you take your own advice and then link to which of the 9 protected characteristics "trans" is.

You may simply have been too lazy / ill informed to have written "having undergone, or intending to undergo gender reassignment."

Thank you for this. It’s such a clear outline of what’s at stake I’ve screenshotted it and will commit to memory and repeat everywhere I can.

thank you.

What about landlord discriminating in the basis of prospective tenant giving off Pain In The Arse vibes? I think that would be fair, no matter how many protected characteristics the prospective tenant had.

Ok so there is European Court of Human Rights case law that the Kellie Jay Keen video round seems to fall under, regarding incitement to discrimination:

Incitement to discrimination is a form of incitement to intolerance, which, together with incitement to violence and hatred, is one of the limits which should never be overstepped in the exercise of freedom of expression (Zemmour v. France, 2022, § 50
https://ks.echr.coe.int/documents/d/echr-ks/hate-speech

Further detail in doc about relevant groups, intent of speaker, intolerance, harmful consequences.

Incitement to discrimination also referenced by United Nations :

“Addressing hate speech does not mean limiting or prohibiting freedom of speech. It means keeping hate speech from escalating into something more dangerous, particularly incitement to discrimination, hostility and violence, which is prohibited under international law.”
— United Nations Secretary-General António Guterres, May 2019

https://www.un.org/en/hate-speech/understanding-hate-speech/hate-speech-versus-freedom-of-speech

They want women dead.

I dont give a shit about the housing options of people that want women dead.

Incitement to hostility, violence and intolerance is something that the TRAs have excelled at.

Human rights law applies to countries, not individuals.

Try again.

Yes, incitement to violence doesn't get much more blatant than "decapitate TERFs", does it?

Here's some incitement to violence and hatred for you.

https://terfisaslur.com/

Yeah it's almost a shame European human rights law doesn't apply to individuals because then most trans activists would have to tone it down or face jail time.

Does it not tackle a country's failure to protect citizens from discrimination?

So for eg. If a member state fails to take appropriate action in this respect, which could include prosecution for individuals engaging in incitement to discrimination, it would have a remit to examine the complaint.

I did consider going, but it was a bit too far to drive. I hope KJK will come north again, and to the west this time.

I was struck by the pictures in the article by how few men had gathered to shout the women down. They probably still outshouted the women, because they’re there simply to drown women out who want to speak, like so many bullying men before them, but I find myself wondering if there’s something of a north/south divide on this. I strongly suspect that, outside of the Edinburgh elite, there’s not a great deal of support for gender ideology in Scotland. It would be interesting to find out.

And it struck me that the language in that article is very different from what we have come to expect. The men are stated to be gate crashing, which isn’t quite right, but at least they didn’t call it a “counter-protest”. And what a breath of fresh air to see it called a women’s rights rally. Not a slanderous “anti-trans” in sight!

Let’s hope it’s the first in a line of courageous journalists who are not afraid to report accurately on what’s happening at these events.

I was there. The TRAs were the smallest number I've ever seen at a rally but included a family with young children waving trans flags. They didn't succeed in drawing out the LWS speakers and only succeeded in confirming that they're all deranged.

I'm so pleased the mainstream media is highlighting how transactivists behave. For people who have no idea how aggressive and oppressive these transactivists can be it's easy to get caught up in 'be kind' because they don't know the sort of people they are dealing with and how quickly women's rights are being eroded.

Try taking the UK to the European Court of Human Rights for failing to shut Kellie-Jay Keen up and let us know how that goes.

Although I'd question why you were more concerned about that than you are about "decapitate TERFs".

Even if she is guilty of "incitement to discrimination" (which I'm not sure is actually a thing), that is objectively less bad than incitement to violence, isn't it?

I'd happily support police action on that too.