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Trans activists gatecrash women's rights rally as they protest speech by Kellie-Jay Keen at 'Let Women Speak' event in the home of suffragette Emily Davison

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IwantToRetire · 14/10/2024 00:29

Trans activists gatecrashed a women's rights rally held in the hometown of suffragette Emily Davison today.

Around 70 women gathered in Carlisle Park, Morpeth, Northumberland, this afternoon for a Let Women Speak (LWS) event, spearheaded by women's rights campaigner Kellie-Jay Keen, aka Posie Parker.

But they were met by counter demonstrators shouting through megaphones, who wore masks, waved flags and held placards which read: 'Transwomen are women'.

Organiser of LWS, Posie Parker, took the microphone and said: 'Some women are coming to speak using some words, and some spoiled brats are trying to stop us.

'We just want to speak about our rights. We want to speak about our spaces, our sports, our children, our safety.

Those people over there are from the elites and are trying to shut us up.

'Most of us are from relatively normal families who have to pay a mortgage, pay bills.

'They haven't sent us to a nice university to mess around with our fees and our grants and to come and harass middle-aged women.'

During the speeches, the counter protestors shouted: 'You're not radical, you're just d*heads.'

They blew whistles in an attempt to drown out the gathering and also shouted 'get off the stage' and 'get some new material'.

As Ms Parker took the microphone, she was branded a 'fascist' by the counter group.

A handful of women spoke about issues including schools, women's rights and the concept of being non-binary.

This is only bits from an article at https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13955045/trans-gatecrash-womens-rally-home-suffragette-emily-davison.html

I cant find anything else about this, but its quite late and I'm a bit tired so may have missed something.

Looks like the police weren't that well prepared, or had thought not many would turn up.

A real shame, as (no insult to Morpeth) going to smaller places is a positive action by LWS. Rather than assuming everybody can get to the nearest big city.

Hope everyone is okay.

Trans activists gatecrash women's rights rally

Around 70 women gathered in Carlisle Park, Morpeth, Northumberland, for a Let Women Speak (LWS) event, spearheaded by women's rights campaigner Kellie-Jay Keen.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13955045/trans-gatecrash-womens-rally-home-suffragette-emily-davison.html

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Tekphobebruvva · 14/10/2024 14:02

Why do the trans activists only ever have “counter” protests when women try to speak?

have women ever tried to stop them having their own speaking events?

suggestionsplease1 · 14/10/2024 14:07

Tekphobebruvva · 14/10/2024 14:02

Why do the trans activists only ever have “counter” protests when women try to speak?

have women ever tried to stop them having their own speaking events?

Have trans activists ever called for blanket discrimination against all women in matters of housing and employment on the basis of their protected characteristic?

Seaschells · 14/10/2024 14:08

Shortshriftandlethal · 14/10/2024 13:53

We are talking about the real world.....that's the point. Not a fantasy world were an individual gets to prioritise their own feelings and 'identities' at the expense of others with protected characteristics ( namely women and girls). Characteristics which are real, actual, based in material reality and recognised the world over.

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We are talking about the real world.

Surely the 'real world' is as the law stands today.

Abhannmor · 14/10/2024 14:08

Suppose two young women want another girl as a flat mate , should they be forced to share with a trans person? Is that what the TRAs mean by landlords discriminating?

BezMills · 14/10/2024 14:11

Tekphobebruvva · 14/10/2024 14:02

Why do the trans activists only ever have “counter” protests when women try to speak?

have women ever tried to stop them having their own speaking events?

Never heard of that happening. All the threats and the violence and the attempts to silence are coming from the misogynists.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 14/10/2024 14:11

suggestionsplease1 · 14/10/2024 14:07

Have trans activists ever called for blanket discrimination against all women in matters of housing and employment on the basis of their protected characteristic?

In employment? Yeah

trans activists want to discriminate against women by removing single sex toilets and changing rooms

this is discrimination against women in particular because while men need single sex spaces for privacy and dignity, women also need them for safety, making it uniquely difficult for women to work in an office where there is a trans identifying man demanding access to women’s spaces

So yes. The answer to your question is yes

SparklyPinkHairband · 14/10/2024 14:19

suggestionsplease1 · 14/10/2024 13:11

I'm not sure whether you believe yourself or not, or if this is merely an entertaining exercise for you in attempting to hoodwink others.

Here is some information about the presently protected characteristic of gender reassignment / trans status.

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201516/cmselect/cmwomeq/390/39007.htm

  1. ok so you do know that "trans" is not a protected characteristic

  2. your link is a viewpoint by the women's and equalities select committee, not the wording of the law

And then you accuse others of mistaking facts for something else?

Say whaaaaaaat

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 14/10/2024 14:22

suggestionsplease1 · 14/10/2024 14:07

Have trans activists ever called for blanket discrimination against all women in matters of housing and employment on the basis of their protected characteristic?

Loads of trans activists have openly said that women who don't feel able to share toilet and changing facilities with biological males should stay home.

They also have zero problem with women being fired for objecting to any of this.

And they think a gay and lesbian charity which doesn't include trans people shouldn't be allowed to exist.

So, yeah, they have.

suggestionsplease1 · 14/10/2024 14:28

SparklyPinkHairband · 14/10/2024 14:19

  1. ok so you do know that "trans" is not a protected characteristic

  2. your link is a viewpoint by the women's and equalities select committee, not the wording of the law

And then you accuse others of mistaking facts for something else?

Say whaaaaaaat

Try reading the Equality Act 2010 sometime eh?

PollyDactyl · 14/10/2024 14:31

A big thank you to the amazing wims who attended the LWS event yesterday.

suggestionsplease1 · 14/10/2024 14:32

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 14/10/2024 14:22

Loads of trans activists have openly said that women who don't feel able to share toilet and changing facilities with biological males should stay home.

They also have zero problem with women being fired for objecting to any of this.

And they think a gay and lesbian charity which doesn't include trans people shouldn't be allowed to exist.

So, yeah, they have.

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I mean it's not quite reaching the giddy heights of calling employers not to employ any women because they are 'lazy, entitled, and difficult to work with' which is what Kellie Jay Keen is asserting about trans people, is it.

Supersimkin7 · 14/10/2024 14:32

Sisterly, such sweet lads the TRAs.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 14/10/2024 14:34

suggestionsplease1 · 14/10/2024 14:32

I mean it's not quite reaching the giddy heights of calling employers not to employ any women because they are 'lazy, entitled, and difficult to work with' which is what Kellie Jay Keen is asserting about trans people, is it.

No, it's worse.

HTH.

Zahariel · 14/10/2024 14:37

This will continue until Police take a stand and actually arrest people for the counter protests. Instead they stand around and do nothing.

suggestionsplease1 · 14/10/2024 14:43

The more I think about that video, the more I think it probably comes under the hate crime legislation as described here:

www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/homophobic-biphobic-and-transphobic-hate-crime-prosecution-guidance

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 14/10/2024 14:45

suggestionsplease1 · 14/10/2024 14:43

The more I think about that video, the more I think it probably comes under the hate crime legislation as described here:

www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/homophobic-biphobic-and-transphobic-hate-crime-prosecution-guidance

Crack on and make a complaint. Let us know how you get on.

suggestionsplease1 · 14/10/2024 14:46

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 14/10/2024 14:45

Crack on and make a complaint. Let us know how you get on.

Ok, Fair enough. Will do then.

Zahariel · 14/10/2024 15:01

too many people sit by the side lines and watch and do nothing

SparklyPinkHairband · 14/10/2024 15:01

suggestionsplease1 · 14/10/2024 14:28

Try reading the Equality Act 2010 sometime eh?

When you said "trans" you meant "transsexual" yes? Cause that's what the Act uses?

I thought you meant "trans" in the more modern meaning, and let's quote Stonewall here, "Trans -
An umbrella term to describe people whose gender is not the same as, or does not sit comfortably with, the sex they were assigned at birth."

Whereas the Equality Act 2010 specifically says that a person with the protected characteristic of gender reassignment is proposing/is undergoing/has undergone a process of changing physiological or other attributes of sex. So a change is required. Whereas Stonewall and others made it about internal feelings only with no requirement to change anything.

Let's agree that the Act needs an overhaul to be more specific?

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 14/10/2024 15:08

SparklyPinkHairband · 14/10/2024 15:01

When you said "trans" you meant "transsexual" yes? Cause that's what the Act uses?

I thought you meant "trans" in the more modern meaning, and let's quote Stonewall here, "Trans -
An umbrella term to describe people whose gender is not the same as, or does not sit comfortably with, the sex they were assigned at birth."

Whereas the Equality Act 2010 specifically says that a person with the protected characteristic of gender reassignment is proposing/is undergoing/has undergone a process of changing physiological or other attributes of sex. So a change is required. Whereas Stonewall and others made it about internal feelings only with no requirement to change anything.

Let's agree that the Act needs an overhaul to be more specific?

There's a reason the parts of the Equality Act relating to gender reassignment and the whole of the Gender Recognition Act are so light on detail.

AlisonDonut · 14/10/2024 15:11

suggestionsplease1 · 14/10/2024 14:07

Have trans activists ever called for blanket discrimination against all women in matters of housing and employment on the basis of their protected characteristic?

Many of them want us dead so housing or jobs won't even be an issue in their utopia.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 14/10/2024 15:18

suggestionsplease1 · 14/10/2024 14:32

I mean it's not quite reaching the giddy heights of calling employers not to employ any women because they are 'lazy, entitled, and difficult to work with' which is what Kellie Jay Keen is asserting about trans people, is it.

I dunno what possessed me to even imagine you would care about discrimination against women. In your sexist belief system we don’t matter at all. Sometimes i forget that

Duckyfondant · 14/10/2024 15:19

If what @suggestionsplease1 describes KJK as saying is correct, she is basically inviting the angry hordes (on purpose, of course). I personally find it outrageous if she's saying she wants to openly discriminate against trans people and remove their protected status.

A lot of the arguments around employment, in particular, sound similar to the sort of reasons given for keeping women out of jobs. Shock tactics, but they still need condemning.

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 14/10/2024 15:19

ThatOpenSwan · 14/10/2024 07:47

Counter protesting isn't exactly gatecrashing.

The trans activists do KJKs work for her by trying to stop women speaking about our rights.

Let women speak is not a protest, so it can't be a counter protest. HTH.

oakleaffy · 14/10/2024 15:22

Womanofcustard · 14/10/2024 13:02

So employers should not be able to discriminate against a ‘trans’ status? Does that include Rape Crisis Centres??

There was a disgusting Trans who raped a woman - the XY was sent to a Male jail for 6.5 yrs.

Imagine if this man worked in a rape crisis centre??

A frock and makeup cannot make one a woman.